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re: Which team has a brighter future, Celtics or Timberwolves?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:51 pm to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:51 pm to PortCityTiger24
Gotta think Boston packages some of those picks with some of their young players for something of value, probably a veteran on a shitty team. They don't need another 2 mid first rounders on the end of their bench like Rozier, Mickey, and Hunter did this year.
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:53 pm to Lester Earl
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explain to me why you think Mike Conley is better than Isaiah Thomas.
Runs a team better and is a much better defender. Same reasons anyone would take him.
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At worst they are equals
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you(homer) and RonBurgundy are the only 2 peole Ive ever heard consider Gasol a superstar.
He might not be superstar, but he sure as hell isn't a goddamn role player.
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All NBA team, woooo hoo! Let's not sit here and pretend that being on an all NBA team means that you are a super star.
Yeah it only means you are one of the 3 best players at your position in the entire league. Such a meaningless accomplishment that AD not making it this season is going to cost him something tiny like $30m.
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14pt/7reb career averages says otherwise.
Hey look at this totally new information Lester came up with. The one that leaves out the stat where he excels at better than all other players at his postition.
Lets talk about Hassan Whiteside. He is only a 11pt/0.3ast guy.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:59 pm to RTR America
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Runs a team better and is a much better defender. Same reasons anyone would take him.
career PER
Thomas 19.7
Conley 16.7
i dont know why you are laughing, but ok.
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He might not be superstar, but he sure as hell isn't a goddamn role player.
never called him a role player
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Yeah it only means you are one of the 3 best players at your position in the entire league
for 1 year.
David Lee was 3rd team all NBA a few years ago. Was he ever a super star?
Al Jefferson?
Goran Dragic?
Andrew Bogut?
Carlos Boozer?
How do you come up with your reasoning, because it not very sound.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:00 pm to Lester Earl
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you(homer) and RonBurgundy are the only 2 peole Ive ever heard consider Gasol a superstar
What about ESPNRank? The compostie score of the NBA staff...Had Gasol at 10 going into the year and Conley at 20.
and now they are injured so you get to paint the narrative that Thomas(#65)-who really had career year, is better.
This Thomas affection is a weird thing for you...and PER rewards a lot of mediocre players. Brendan Wright is the poster boy of that.
ETA: and jesus christ we are doing this again.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:04 pm to RonBurgundy
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This Thomas affection is a weird thing for you.
look at the numbers.
Those guys are over ranked because they play on a good team. They are all part of that success, but there is a reason that none of them truly standout. It's because none of them are superstars.
It's like when 4 Hawks made the All star team last year. Players on winning teams always get extra boost. It is my focus always when comparing players to look at them in a vacuum.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:05 pm to RonBurgundy
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..and PER rewards a lot of mediocre players. Brendan Wright is the poster boy of that.
he plays 17minutes a game. I think you're smart enough to separate those guys from the guy's playing full loads.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:13 pm to Lester Earl
Lester this is based on the assumption that all stats are collected the same way-everybody is playing the same way.Their ROLES within the team are very different-something that is, and at this point I don't even mean to offend you, inherently lost on you.
and therein lies the disconnect...the game isn't played in a vacuum.
which is why you hate DeMarcus Cousins,btw.
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It is my focus always when comparing players to look at them in a vacuum.
and therein lies the disconnect...the game isn't played in a vacuum.
which is why you hate DeMarcus Cousins,btw.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:13 pm to Lester Earl
I searched and didn't find much other than some trade rumors after the Celtics were bounced last year, but I thought I heard Thomas was being floated around plus one of the Celtics picks to move into the top 10. I remember they offered all of their picks plus a player to Miami for Winslow.
Thomas is awesome, but if you want to see the real value in Conley, watch him play against Lillard last season in the playoffs. or watch him whenever his team is healthy. He's a dog defensively. He runs an offense that doesn't rack up PG assists (it's ran through Gasol) so his stats don't look sexy.
Thomas is awesome, but if you want to see the real value in Conley, watch him play against Lillard last season in the playoffs. or watch him whenever his team is healthy. He's a dog defensively. He runs an offense that doesn't rack up PG assists (it's ran through Gasol) so his stats don't look sexy.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:13 pm to RTR America
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Lets talk about Hassan Whiteside. He is only a 11pt/0.3ast guy.
Whiteside has been 16/12 since the first of the year, 60%fg 72% Ft.
dude has been a huge part of keeping Miami afloat. He's done a total 360 defensively. But keep hating.
he had 865 rebounds in his first year as a starter. Marc Gasol has never had more than 640 rebounds in a season.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:18 pm to Lester Earl
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he had 865 rebounds in his first year as a starter. Marc Gasol has never had more than 640 rebounds in a season
You're riding high on Whiteside now, but come on man, it took impending FA, a benching(to the ghost of Am'are), and trade rumors to get him to tighten up.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:20 pm to RonBurgundy
And to be fair, I don't think anyone argued Whiteside isn't a top 5 talent at C. He liked to block shots even though it hurt his team defense and he was a head case to start off.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:21 pm to RonBurgundy
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Lester this is based on the assumption that all stats are collected the same way-everybody is playing the same way.Their ROLES within the team are very different-something that is, and at this point I don't even mean to offend you, inherently lost on you.
maybe you can answer, what does Conley do so much better than Thomas?
shoot? no
pass? no
handle? no
draw contact? no
defense? probably
like i said, they are at best equals
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and therein lies the disconnect...the game isn't played in a vacuum.
Im sorry, but you cant compare 2 players, head to head on different teams, and use his team's success and system to aid your argument. Remove all that stuff, then compare then as players.
It's pretty clear that they are similar players and it could go either way depending on the day.
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which is why you hate DeMarcus Cousins,btw.
I dont hate him but he isnt a winning player at this point. Once he can harness his god given talents in an more efficient manner, you're talking about a guy who can pretty much any team in the playoff conversation.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:23 pm to Lester Earl
I truly don't think you understand that some teams run different schemes and ask different things from their players, thus altering their stats. Boston has to have Thomas score, Memphis doesn't have to have Conley score. Boston has to run the offense through Thomas, Memphis runs its offense through Gasol. Boston is able to hide Thomas defensively, Memphis puts Conley at the forefront of its defense.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:24 pm to RonBurgundy
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You're riding high on Whiteside now, but come on man, it took impending FA, a benching(to the ghost of Am'are), and trade rumors to get him to tighten up.
You can't deny a talent like that Ron. People thought he was raw but anyone that actually has watched the guy knows he has the skill to be a 20/12 player. As an inexperienced, immature player, he just needed some guidance.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:24 pm to td01241
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I truly don't think you understand that some teams run different schemes and ask different things from their players, thus altering their stats. Boston has to have Thomas score, Memphis doesn't have to have Conley score. Boston has to run the offense through Thomas, Memphis runs its offense through Gasol. Boston is able to hide Thomas defensively, Memphis puts Conley at the forefront of its defense.
its 2016 and all of a sudden people think advanced metrics don't exist.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:15 am to Lester Earl
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he had 865 rebounds in his first year as a starter. Marc Gasol has never had more than 640 rebounds in a season.
Whiteside can't even average half a fricking assist a game
It is like picking and choosing #'s is the bad way to do things
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 12:16 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 9:54 am to Lester Earl
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he had 865 rebounds in his first year as a starter. Marc Gasol has never had more than 640 rebounds in a season
There isn't a 4/5 on Miami's roster who rebounds other than Whiteside, whereas Gasol played alongside Zach Randolph. Kind of important to note here.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 10:16 am to brgfather129
yet Randolph had no problem pulling down 10 a game playing next to Gasol
Posted on 4/19/16 at 10:55 am to RTR America
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RTR America
Do you really think Conley is a top 5 PG in the NBA?
ETA: Saw you said "borderline". Ok. Still, I do not agree that Conley is better than Thomas.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:07 am to Lester Earl
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