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re: Which team has a brighter future, Celtics or Timberwolves?
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:50 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:50 am to Lester Earl
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yet Randolph had no problem pulling down 10 a game playing next to Gasol
If Whiteside played next to a rebounder of Randolph's caliber...would he average:
-more rebounds
-the same number of rebounds
-fewer rebounds
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:53 am to brgfather129
-more rebounds
-the same number of rebounds
-fewer rebounds
-more than 7 per game
-the same number of rebounds
-fewer rebounds
-more than 7 per game
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:53 am to Lester Earl
That's not really the point, Les.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:59 am to brgfather129
Whiteside would still be an elite rebounder next to Randolph.
Randolph is a better reboudner than Gasol, which is why he gets more rebounds.
the same way Whiteside would get more rebounds than Randolph if they played alongside one another.
Whitesides rebounds would prob go down slightly playing next to Zach. But still be greater than 10. Let's not pretend he didnt play next to Bosh most of this year.
Randolph is a better reboudner than Gasol, which is why he gets more rebounds.
the same way Whiteside would get more rebounds than Randolph if they played alongside one another.
Whitesides rebounds would prob go down slightly playing next to Zach. But still be greater than 10. Let's not pretend he didnt play next to Bosh most of this year.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:10 pm to Lester Earl
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Whiteside would still be an elite rebounder next to Randolph
Never said he wouldn't be. Andre was an elite rebounder next to Monroe...shockingly those numbers increased when he started playing next to Ilyasova and Harris. He didn't become "better" at it.
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Whitesides rebounds would prob go down slightly playing next to Zach. But still be greater than 10.
Cool...I'm talking about explaining some of the gap between the raw rebounding numbers you posted... which can be attributed to exactly what I described. No, I'm not saying Gasol is to that level... but context is a reason, not an excuse.
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Let's not pretend he didnt play next to Bosh most of this year.
Bosh was 133rd in the league in total rebound rate, Les.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:22 pm to brgfather129
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shockingly those numbers increased when he started playing next to Ilyasova and Harris. He didn't become "better" at it.
dont sit here and act like they spiked. Im not denying that they wouldn't go up. But this is a bad example. Drummond is an elite rebounder regardless of who is next to him.
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Bosh was 133rd in the league in total rebound rate, Les.
and Gasol is where?
are you saying Bosh isn't a good rebounder or simply that the better rebounder takes all the rebounds from him?
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:10 pm to Lester Earl
LINK
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There is a lot of data in here, Lester. Again, it goes back to ROLE within the team. That's why tracking is so awesome.
As far as this dicussion, Rebound Chance Win%, Deferred Rebound Chances, Adjusted Reb Chance,Contested Reb %, Uncontested Reb....
within that data, you will be able to conclude that not all stats are accumulated the same way.
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The other day, I tweeted out this chart talking about the league leaders in offensive rebound “chase percentage” through the All-Star Break
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This is meant to represent how often a player “crashes the offensive glass.” That’s all it is! We know some guys — some teams — crash the offensive boards more than others; this is just a number for that. It’s capturing what has happened in the game in a more exact manner and answering the question, “Who’s really attacking the offensive glass?”
And it’s interesting for a few reasons. Offensive rebounds are good. They get a team extra possession and often easy baskets off of tip-ins or put-backs. On the other hand, being too aggressive in pursuing offensive rebounds is bad, because it allows the opposition to fast break more and get their own easy baskets. So in addition to the number of offensive rebounds a player secures, it’s nice to know how many they go after as a means of comparison, and, by extension, how many times they’re playing that risk/reward of offensive rebound vs. a potential break the other way. It’s the same question asked by teams that eschew offensive rebounds to prevent transition opportunities.
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One of the data points is “rebound chances.” This sounds promising, but what does it mean?
LINK
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There’s a lot more there than displayed on NBA.com. Including offensive rebound chances! So we know how many offensive rebound chances each player gets per game by the above definition. Now all we need to determine the percentage of his team’s misses is the number of those misses while he’s on the floor. And here, we’re in luck! Among the first wave of “advanced” stats for the NBA was rebound percentage, which is split into both offensive and defensive rebound percentage, so the number we need is right there on NBA.com
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Since offensive rebound percentage is offensive rebounds / total available offensive rebounds, and we know both the number of rebounds collected and the percentage, we can simply flip the equation and find Available OReb = Orebs/Oreb%. This number of available offensive rebounds then becomes the denominator in determining a player’s “Chase %.” While the above process is slightly convoluted and more than a little laborious15, there is nothing that requires any math past about 10th grade level. And if you’re unfamiliar with those concepts, that’s okay; that’s why nerds exist, and we know that you know that we know how to do math. You can trust us on that part. The more important part was asking the right question and identifying the sources for the data which could provide an answer if not the solution for examining players’ relative propensity to crash the offensive glass. It is also a demonstration of the power of combining multiple data sources to best address the issue. The math is unimportant; it’s about the right basketball questions and using the right tools — among those we have available.
There is a lot of data in here, Lester. Again, it goes back to ROLE within the team. That's why tracking is so awesome.
As far as this dicussion, Rebound Chance Win%, Deferred Rebound Chances, Adjusted Reb Chance,Contested Reb %, Uncontested Reb....
within that data, you will be able to conclude that not all stats are accumulated the same way.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:26 pm to Spitting Venom
After today, is anybody still picking Boston?
I'm taking KAT + Wiggy + Thibs over Stevens + theoretical star who Boston hasn't acquired yet and may not ever acquire
(I'm not a huge Thibs or Wiggy fan, full disclosure, but I love KAT's game that much. Also maintain my skepticism that Boston can land a big fish. Sounds great in theory but easier said than done.)
I'm taking KAT + Wiggy + Thibs over Stevens + theoretical star who Boston hasn't acquired yet and may not ever acquire
(I'm not a huge Thibs or Wiggy fan, full disclosure, but I love KAT's game that much. Also maintain my skepticism that Boston can land a big fish. Sounds great in theory but easier said than done.)
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:45 pm to Spitting Venom
Boston.. They could end up with a top 3 pick. Plus, sign a big FA in the summer. They are still reaping the benefits of shipping out Allen,Pierce,KG, and rondo.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 5:15 pm to mjax57
This is a really solid read.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:41 pm to Lester Earl
You did work
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:53 pm to Lester Earl
What ever happened to RTR? Disappeared because Memphis blows?
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:55 pm to Carson123987
He’s around.
Oh and el oh el at Boom yet again.
Oh and el oh el at Boom yet again.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 10:14 pm to okietiger
Boston woulda got gentleman sweep by CC in Rd 1 just like Minnesota did.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 10:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
Talk is cheap.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 10:43 pm to okietiger
Haven’t seen him in forever. Dude had the most in-depth nba twitter info back in the day
Posted on 5/13/18 at 10:43 pm to Boomshockalocka
This post was edited on 5/13/18 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 5/13/18 at 11:39 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Boston woulda got gentleman sweep by CC in Rd 1 just like Minnesota did
Non starter. Boston wouldn’t have been the 8 seed. That’s like saying the Rockets would have lost to the Warriors in the first round and therefore are no better than the Spurs
Posted on 5/13/18 at 11:40 pm to LL012697
TWolves would be very interesting if they didnt have Thibs as coach.
Their offense against the Rockets was atrocious.
Also didn't really help that Butler was just coming off knee surgery.
Their offense against the Rockets was atrocious.
Also didn't really help that Butler was just coming off knee surgery.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:46 am to okietiger
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okietiger
The act has worn so thin with him. It's not even entertaining anymore. It's just annoying and pathetic
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