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re: The NBA's most overrated player

Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:28 pm to
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Not that I am pro Kobe on this board, but truehoop posted this today about Kobe and the 4th quarter.. written by a Sloan Sports Conference particapnt
I love that kind of stuff, and the cool graphics make it even better.

Good stuff.
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:32 pm to
Also to the OP, the most overrated player in the NBA is probably Blake Griffen based on his status as an All-Star starter, second team All-NBA player (last year) and national profile.

I don't believe he is a top four forward in the league.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

Also to the OP, the most overrated player in the NBA is probably Blake Griffen based on his status as an All-Star starter, second team All-NBA player (last year) and national profile.

I don't believe he is a top four forward in the league
You probably missed my post, but I got him in the Tony Romo club, so overrated that he is underrated.
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

so overrated that he is underrated.


yeah I saw it, but with his profile as high as it is, I don't think he can get to that.

He doesn't block shots, hit free throws, have a consistent jumper(Trade Value column alert) yet he is a face of the NBA.

Romo might be the QB for the Cowboys but his national profile isn't what Blake's is.

Also Jermaine O'Neal was probably the second best player on Wades scrub teams.
Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:50 pm to
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Joe Johnson


I don't think Johnson belongs in the over rated category. Over paid? Hell yeah. But I doubt anyone who seriously watches bball thinks Johnson is a great player.

My vote would be Griffin.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:51 pm to
I don't think Iguodala is overrated.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
110711 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:54 pm to
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yeah I saw it, but with his profile as high as it is, I don't think he can get to that.

He doesn't block shots, hit free throws, have a consistent jumper(Trade Value column alert) yet he is a face of the NBA.

Romo might be the QB for the Cowboys but his national profile isn't what Blake's is
Definitely fair points. But I would say when people say he's overrated, I do think they downplay just how good he still is, thus underrating. But any way, I hear ya lol.

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Also Jermaine O'Neal was probably the second best player on Wades scrub teams.

In 2010, Jermaine played 28 minutes per game and averaged 13 and 7.

I could gladly concede O'Neal as the 2nd best player, but I don't think it changes my stance that 47 wins and losing to Boston by no means shows how Wade is overrated.
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:00 pm to
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how Wade is overrated.


I don't think the Wade of 2010 is overrated and I don't think a healthy Wade of 2013 is overrated.

As far as two-way players, I think Wade is a top 5(or near) player in the NBA.

The only guys who play both sides of the court very well that I would put ahead of him are LeBron,Durant,Paul and Marc Gasol(which might lead some people to think I overrate Marc Gasol-but I think he's top 5 player in the NBA).
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

I don't think the Wade of 2010 is overrated and I don't think a healthy Wade of 2013 is overrated.

As far as two-way players, I think Wade is a top 5(or near) player in the NBA.

The only guys who play both sides of the court very well that I would put ahead of him are LeBron,Durant,Paul and Marc Gasol(which might lead some people to think I overrate Marc Gasol-but I think he's top 5 player in the NBA).


I'd disagree on Gasol, but I agree on everything else, and that's enough for me to call it a day and head home from work.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

Marc Gasol


He couldn't even make first team all defense.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:19 pm to
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He doesn't block shots, hit free throws, have a consistent jumper


Yeah all he's done is average 20/10/4 in his first 230 games
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:25 pm to
Except Deandre Jordan already makes $10m a year


Marc Gasol is a good one. Brook Lopez is another one
Posted by TigersBucs
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:27 pm to
Kobe Bryant!
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

It was much closer competition in terms of the 2 conferences a few year's ago. There was a 1 or 2 year span around that time(not sure if it was that specific year) that the EC had a better record head to head vs the WC.


Pretty sure that hasn't happened since the mid/early 90s.
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:31 pm to
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He couldn't even make first team all defense.



when Roy freaking Hibbert can post you up like this:


then I don't think you really are first team all defense at the moment , also it is widely known that All Defense selection is a joke.

Hence Mike James getting two votes(one of them being a first team vote), Kobe Bryant getting votes.Deng,Iggy and Larry Sanders being left off the teams, and Avery Bradley who only played 60% making second team while not playing particularly outstanding defense



quote:

Marc Gasol is a good one


Team runs the offense through him, best passing big out there. His offensive rebounding numbers seem low, but that's because 1) he's in the high post 2) he's coached to not crash boards and get back on D 3) he's playing with a very good rebounder in Z-Bo

His response to not being first team all defense? just 6 blocks last night (with several clutch baskets).

Shoots 80-85% from the line. Can play both low and high post.

As of right now, posting a 22 PER and fourth in the NBA in Estimated Wins Added behind Durant, James and Curry.

I'd say he is underrated by most.
This post was edited on 5/14/13 at 3:42 pm
Posted by cfish140
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:47 pm to
i dont understand people saying KD and melo at all...if i had to pick one person to take the last shot it would probably be out of these 2
Posted by ATLTiger
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

Joe Johnson
went from the most underrated to the most overrated in the span of 1.5 seasons


no one has overrated Joe for the last few yrs.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19353 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:12 pm to
Crymello for sure.

It does no good to score 30+ a game when your matchup scores just as much or more.

he forgets that there are actually times when he doesn't have the ball and he has to stop other people from shooting.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110711 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:50 pm to
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Pretty sure that hasn't happened since the mid/early 90s
Check 2009, I'm not positive, but confident it was super close with the East edging them.

But either way, I know it was close and that is why doing the East vs West based on today's standards is irrelevant when discussing stuff from that timeframe.
Posted by SuperSoakher
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 5:20 pm to
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