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re: ITT we take a look at Notre Dame
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:17 am to dcrews
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:17 am to dcrews
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BUT....that is not the argument here. The argument is that ND is overrated.
In what way? They are deserving of the ranking they have IMO. a 1 loss team with the best loss in the country and not a terrible set of wins. Sure, maybe TCU can be ahead, but who cares?
Now is somebody who thinks they are the 6th best team in the country wrong? Yes, absolutely. They are overrated in that sense. But nowhere near as overrated as anybody thinking Mississippi State is a top team.
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:18 am to sms151t
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You cant judge ND any different than you judge LSU if you want to be truthful with yourself.
How is LSU or any other team relevant to ND being overrated?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:19 am to dcrews
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OP's facts have been ignored by pro ND posters from the get go. Touting miami as a legit win. That's when I knew it was going to shite.
The facts are ridiculous. If you don't recognize Stanford as a tough game, then you are talking nonsense. Its a good win. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:19 am to sms151t
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But if you want to say LSU has won their toughest games, using same criteria you are for ND, you are wrong.
Which I haven't said. You brought up LSU for some reason and tried to paint the portait that I was somehow arguing that LSU has been elite since 2012. We haven't. No one claims we have.
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You cant judge ND any different than you judge LSU if you want to be truthful with yourself.
And I'm not. But at least even in a down year like this one, we have as many top 5 wins as ND does since 1999.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:19 am to dcrews
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OP's facts have been ignored by pro ND posters from the get go.
not really, just dont see the relevancy in discussing Bob Davie and Charlie Weis in 2014
Carry on, I guess?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:24 am to rocket31
Answer this OP. Why is Notre Dames past of not being a top 10 team and getting beat when they play one relevant to this year, yet you remain silent on Mississippi State not being a top 25 team and getting beat when they play one?
Has Mississippi State not been way worse than Notre Dame over the past 20 years? Is Mississippi State not rated higher this year? Either stick to the facts of what has happened either this year or at least in the last few years with the same coaches and players or denounce Mississippi St as overrated.
Its amazing that this board holds Notre Dame getting beat in BCS bowl games against them but not Ole Miss and Mississippi St not making bowl games many years.
Has Mississippi State not been way worse than Notre Dame over the past 20 years? Is Mississippi State not rated higher this year? Either stick to the facts of what has happened either this year or at least in the last few years with the same coaches and players or denounce Mississippi St as overrated.
Its amazing that this board holds Notre Dame getting beat in BCS bowl games against them but not Ole Miss and Mississippi St not making bowl games many years.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:24 am to TheSexecutioner
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If you don't recognize Stanford as a tough game, then you are talking nonsense. Its a good win. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Stanford is 5-3. With wins over Washington,Washington State, Oregon State, Army and UC Davis. Oregon State and Washington would be the most impressive wins for Stanford, and they are both 1-3 in PAC play.
And that is what ND hangs it's hat on other than the moral victory close game
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:24 am to dcrews
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what have they done to deserve moving up 11 spots?
going 6-1 and being one of the only schools with just one loss would be my guess... I might be going out on a limb though.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:24 am to StraightCashHomey21
and join a conference... 
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:26 am to Thurber
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and join a conference.
because joining the ACC or the B1G would make for more challenging schedules?
This board truly is deluded
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:27 am to Thurber
They have, sort of. Are you going to ask BYU to join one or you just going to be pissy about Notre Dame?
BYU even has a predetermined bowl tie, like Army and Navy do, but nobody bitches about that.
BYU even has a predetermined bowl tie, like Army and Navy do, but nobody bitches about that.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:27 am to TheSexecutioner
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Answer this OP. Why is Notre Dames past of not being a top 10 team and getting beat when they play one relevant to this year, yet you remain silent on Mississippi State not being a top 25 team and getting beat when they play one?
The examination into this year was simply to state that ND hasn't done anything in the current year but are serious playoff contention. The previous years do not matter, you are right, for this year. It was more of a "wow, ND is really overrated as a program and hasn't done anything for 15 years."
This year- ND has a win over an average team, and a close loss to a great team.
Previous years- ND has wins over average teams (msome good), and A LOT of losses to great teams.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:29 am to Tigerfan56
What has Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, done to be in serious consideration?
Auburn did go to K State on a Thursday. But other than that what has the SEC done?
Auburn did go to K State on a Thursday. But other than that what has the SEC done?
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:32 am to sms151t
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What has Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, done to be in serious consideration?
Alabama has a win over WVU. But I would agree with you they are overrated based on name. Not even comparable to ND though.
Auburn has a road win against KSU.
Ole Miss has a win against Alabama.
All three of the aformentioned teams have a better win than this Stanford win ND is hanging it's hat on.
But ND has the best loss. I'll give them that. I'm just maybe in the minority that better wins are way more valuable than good losses.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 11:34 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:34 am to rocket31
it would require them to win a division and a then play for a conference title. 
It's what just about everyone else has to do.
It's what just about everyone else has to do. Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:36 am to Tigerfan56
The better loss is better than the good win if it is a non con game, IMO.
You choose to play that game.
Now The one team that is getting no credit and should be is Arizona State. IF ND wins that game, what will the excuse be?
You choose to play that game.
Now The one team that is getting no credit and should be is Arizona State. IF ND wins that game, what will the excuse be?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:40 am to sms151t
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The better loss is better than the good win if it is a non con game, IMO.
This is an especially convenient opinion to have being that ND doesn't have conference games. I'm no longer continuing this conversation being that you honestly value a good loss over a good win.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:41 am to Thurber
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It's what just about everyone else has to do.
Schools choose to be in conferences. They don't have to be. I'd love for LSU to have the ability to be independent, and play a national schedule. But I'm a free market guy. I don't begrudge ND for being able to be independent. They wanted to be in a conference a long long time ago (early 1900s), but Michigan blackballed them because ND kept beating Big 10 teams. So ND decided to make its way as independent. Good for them, as it sure worked and made them a national name.
Back to the original poster, I think they were overrated during the Willingham and Weis years. I don't necessarily think they are under Brian Kelly. He is 27-6 over the last 3 years and finally seems to have a QB other than Tommy Rees. He's brought them a long way.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:42 am to Tigerfan56
I was not talking about Notre Dame specifically in that comment.
Michigan St loss to Oregon means more than beating a Wisconsin or Nebraska. Also people will give Miss State more credit for beating aTm than Notre Dame going on the road. That is the hypocrisy I am talking about.
Michigan St loss to Oregon means more than beating a Wisconsin or Nebraska. Also people will give Miss State more credit for beating aTm than Notre Dame going on the road. That is the hypocrisy I am talking about.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:38 pm to Tigerfan56
frick the Domers.
But for the fact that it would screw a deserving team from the playoff and NCG, I would love to see them make the big game and then get embarrassed...AGAIN.
But for the fact that it would screw a deserving team from the playoff and NCG, I would love to see them make the big game and then get embarrassed...AGAIN.
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