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re: ITT we take a look at Notre Dame
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:49 pm to rocket31
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:49 pm to rocket31
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not really, just dont see the relevancy in discussing Bob Davie and Charlie Weis in 2014
I saw the OP discussing stats from the 90's so I figured those years were relevant to the discussion.
If we are talking about this year alone, ND isn't as overrated as they have been in years past, but I don't believe they are deserving of a #6 ranking thus far.
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Carry on, I guess?
Wasn't trying to be an arse (although I'm sure my posts may come off that way). I just love to discuss sports, and more importantly football.
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:54 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Its amazing that this board holds Notre Dame getting beat in BCS bowl games against them but not Ole Miss and Mississippi St not making bowl games many years.
Because no one is arguing that Miss state and Ole miss are elite programs/teams. You guys are the ones who brought that up.
The thread is specifically about Notre Dame's perceived greatness as of late, yet the stats presented in the OP state otherwise. It was a discussion based on ND's recent poor performance in the last 2 decades (roughly) vs where people hold them among the elite in college football.
No one (except people arguing in favor of ND) said anything about any other team. Miss State THIS year is a good team. They have been shite for a long time before 2014. But no one is arguing that Miss State is an elite program over the last 15-20 years. (because they aren't/haven't been)
I'm not sure how people can't see this considering the discussion topic was clearly laid out.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:12 pm to dcrews
Honestly, I'm not too sure who considers Notre Dame "elite" these days. Top 15 type program with elite potential mostly because of Brian Kelly.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:14 pm to rocket31
I think Notre Dame is elite in name only. The results are good, not great. If Kelly can keep the staff intact they may keep moving in the direction of elite.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:16 pm to rocket31
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Top 15 type program with elite potential mostly because of Brian Kelly.
I can buy that.
I think I'm also perturbed at Lou Holtzsch because he picks ND to make the title game every year. But I'm probably foolish for taking him seriously.
ETA: Even still, I'm always skeptical of ND going into a big game (big bowl game). Same with Oklahoma prior to last year.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:16 pm to sms151t
Indeed, its still a desirable place to play and we have evidence of this because of recruiting rankings.
The rest of this year and next year will determine if ND is ready to jump into the "elite" category.
The rest of this year and next year will determine if ND is ready to jump into the "elite" category.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:17 pm to dcrews
He is playing the hell out of most of America because he knows of the hatred, unjustly, spewed at Notre Dame. NBC caused the majority of it though. The Subway Alums cause some also.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:19 pm to sms151t
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I think Notre Dame is elite in name only
Agreed.
Kelly certainly has them going in the right direction.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:23 pm to dcrews
I really think if Notre Dame does well the sport of CFB does well. I know most do not agree to it on this site, but the casual fan loves Notre Dame and it will bring in viewers. They are a TV bonanza and and advertisers dream.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:25 pm to sms151t
They are the Dallas Cowboys of college football.
If they are good, football is better off.
Makes hating them all the better. Especially since they'll wind up choking to if they make the playoffs..................
If they are good, football is better off.
Makes hating them all the better. Especially since they'll wind up choking to if they make the playoffs..................
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:27 pm to sms151t
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I really think if Notre Dame does well the sport of CFB does well. I know most do not agree to it on this site, but the casual fan loves Notre Dame and it will bring in viewers. They are a TV bonanza and and advertisers dream.
Not sure about all that, but they are the most polarizing team in college football so that is def an advertisers dream.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:30 pm to dcrews
Here we go again, they will choke blah blah blah. We have no evidence that they will choke this year.
That is what irritates me when people make those comments. That is the hate I am talking about, they judge ND by a set of rules different than anyone else.
I do not disagree necessarily but people stating it as fact is the fallacy.
That is what irritates me when people make those comments. That is the hate I am talking about, they judge ND by a set of rules different than anyone else.
I do not disagree necessarily but people stating it as fact is the fallacy.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:30 pm to Tigerfan56
Notre Dame's only game of note this season was a loss. Not a bad loss at all and against a really good team in Florida State, but I agree they're overrated at #6. I would probably put every other top-10 team over them - maybe they'd go ahead of Michigan State but the others all have a good win to validate their rank over ND imo.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:33 pm to sms151t
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I know most do not agree to it on this site, but the casual fan loves Notre Dame and it will bring in viewers.
Bring in viewers, sure, ND has and probably always will have a solid national fanbase. But "the casual fan" hasn't "loved" Notre Dame since the 90s. They're yesterday's team. Southern Cal passed them in that respect back in the early 2000s and now I'd probably put Oregon in their spot today as "the casual fan's team."
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:57 pm to Tigerfan56
I think they are noticeably better under Kelly than previous coaches and continuing to improve. I'm not saying their schedule is murderer's row, but
Michigan
Stanford
@ FSU
@ ASU
Louisville
@ USC
are some generally quality programs to be playing, even if most aren't that great (or flat out suck) this year. That's more than many FBS schools can say.
That said, IF they make the playoffs I'd expect them to put up more of a fight than usual, but ultimately lose.
Michigan
Stanford
@ FSU
@ ASU
Louisville
@ USC
are some generally quality programs to be playing, even if most aren't that great (or flat out suck) this year. That's more than many FBS schools can say.
That said, IF they make the playoffs I'd expect them to put up more of a fight than usual, but ultimately lose.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:21 pm to sms151t
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We have no evidence that they will choke this year.
No one knows the future, so it's just an opinion, but using the below statistics (credit to the OP) of recent performance, I don't feel it's unreasonable for an individual to assert that they will not fare well.
If there's no evidence they will choke, then there certainly is no evidence they will do well.
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Since 1999, Notre Dame is 1-17 against top ten teams.
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They are 3-11 in bowl games since 1995. On the bright side, those 3 wins have all came in the last 5 years, against these unranked juggernauts - Rutgers, Hawaii, Miami.
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They are 0-4 in BCS bowl games. They kept it close (somewhat) in one of these games, when they lost by 14. The other 3 losses were all by 27 or more points. Combined score of their 4 BCS games is 158-57.
Tell me why I should just ignore this and simply believe ND will make an unbelievable run to win the title this year?
I'm not saying they won't, but again, based on recent history, I have no reason to believe they'll find much success against 3 other top 4 teams (should they make the playoffs)
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:23 pm to Tigerfan56
I'm not traditionally a fan of Notre Dame but they seem to be legitimate this year. Should they get in with one loss instead of another one loss team? I think that depends on their respective resumes.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:32 pm to rocket31
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NDs had legit opponents and has never played an FCS school. (USC is the only other school who can say the same)
I believe UCLA too.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:43 pm to dcrews
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Tell me why I should just ignore this and simply believe ND will make an unbelievable run to win the title this year?
Because some of that isn't relevant at all. Why would you not ignore them? Fan Bases don't play the games. They have a different coach, 100% different players, and a different scheme and style than they did then. It would be like using the 2000 Seahawks or 2005 49ers to make predictions about today.
Why not use relevant information like their quality the last 2 years, their recruiting classes, their coaches success, etc? What evidence do you have that Mississippi won't just flat out suck the rest of the season? They've sucked for the last two decades.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:02 pm to TheSexecutioner
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What evidence do you have that Mississippi won't just flat out suck the rest of the season? They've sucked for the last two decades.
I am not making an argument that Mississippi is an elite program or team. Still, why bring in other teams to a discussion about ND? No one is saying any of the Mississippi schools are elite programs or teams.
Even still, the Miss schools have mostly been crap as of late, so I, like everyone else, think they are going to be crap every year. And we were all right about those schools every year, except thus far this year.
And I've already said ND could very well win it all this year. I don't know the future. But the stats presented are relevant to them as a program and their "elite" status. That's what this thread is about, but everyone seems to want to assert that the OP is wrong by changing the discussion completely.
No one is saying they are trash, belong in the FCS or that they aren't any good or don't produce NFL talent. HOWEVER, every year, the argument is "This is ND's year". And every year they lose out to the ranked teams and in big bowl games.
Who knows, this may in fact be their year. But using the stats about their program from the last 15-20 years has been spot on in predicting how they'll fare against top 10 teams and in bowl games that matter.
If I'm proven wrong, great. College football will better off with ND winning. But until they do it against top 10 teams and in top tier bowl games/playoffs, their "legitimacy" will be questioned.
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