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re: Is Carlos Beltran a Hall of Famer?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:18 pm to slackster
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:18 pm to slackster
I couldn't read this abortion of a thread, but you get no extra credit for switch hitting. Your numbers are your number. You don't get an extra bump because you decided to do it from both sides. I'm a huge Chipper zones fan, but his numbers should be considered in the context of 3rd basemen, not switch hitters. The advantage you get is already built in the numbers. To give an extra boost is absurd.
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:23 pm to Hot Carl
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Hot Carl
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I couldn't read this abortion of a thread
Think of how much worse it just got now
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:29 pm to Hot Carl
So chipper had no value as a switch hitter?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:58 pm to Lester Earl
Chipper had value as a hitter, period. His numbers themselves reflect it. He shouldn't be graded on a curve.
If switch hitting was such a disadvantage, why would anybody do it? It's impressive that he put in the work and had the talent/developed the skill from both sides of the plate to be a big league hitter, but that was a choice he made. Hitting 330 w/500 Homers from just one side of the plate would have been more valuable. The ends matter in the end, not the means.
If switch hitting was such a disadvantage, why would anybody do it? It's impressive that he put in the work and had the talent/developed the skill from both sides of the plate to be a big league hitter, but that was a choice he made. Hitting 330 w/500 Homers from just one side of the plate would have been more valuable. The ends matter in the end, not the means.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:59 pm to Hot Carl
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If switch hitting was such a disadvantage, why would anybody do it?
No one has said it's a disadvantage.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 10:50 pm to BayouBengals03
Those are pretty good stats. I would say yes. That's just me though.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 2:33 am to BayouBengals03
Flip a coin.
If Biggio made it....
If Biggio made it....
Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:09 am to Lester Earl
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what is your name, let me look up your splits
I'm not giving you my name. My stats are available online but they aren't split. I can tell you this much....I played 1 season and went 2 for 6 hitting left-handed in my first 2 games. In my 3rd game my minor league manager (Joe Maddon) had me pinch hit and I hit a 450 foot HR right-handed. So at that point, I'm a career .429 hitter in pro ball...LOL.
The next day he asked me how long I have been switch-hitting and I told him 2 years and that I was naturally right-handed. At that point he didn't care that I was a switch hitter or that I spent my entire college career as a leadoff hitter. From now on I was to bat 4th and hit right-handed full time. My career went downhill from that point on.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:24 pm to BayouBengals03
Definitely not a first ballot guy, but maybe on the third or fourth try.
His 8 homers in first 9 postseason games in 2004 with the Astros was/is epic.
His 8 homers in first 9 postseason games in 2004 with the Astros was/is epic.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:38 pm to BayouBengals03
I tend to agree that you really shouldn't get extra consideration just because you are a switch hitter.
However, I will say that having little to no drop off between facing RHP and LHP is something that could be considered in determining how valuable a player is. Sometimes those hitters that are devastating against LHP and really struggle against RHP (or vice versa) can hurt you at bad times (end of games/playoffs, when opposing managers are willing to burn a specialty pitcher on you). To the extent switch hitters give you a more consistent batter in the lineup who can face LHP and RHP equally, then I think that is a big plus for a team and manager. But that really applies to any batter that is equally good against LHP and RHP, not just switch-hitters.
However, I will say that having little to no drop off between facing RHP and LHP is something that could be considered in determining how valuable a player is. Sometimes those hitters that are devastating against LHP and really struggle against RHP (or vice versa) can hurt you at bad times (end of games/playoffs, when opposing managers are willing to burn a specialty pitcher on you). To the extent switch hitters give you a more consistent batter in the lineup who can face LHP and RHP equally, then I think that is a big plus for a team and manager. But that really applies to any batter that is equally good against LHP and RHP, not just switch-hitters.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:44 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Value is in the numbers.
So chipper had no value as a switch hitter?
Posted on 8/31/15 at 12:47 pm to Lester Earl
quote:YOu certainly didn't say exactly what you said, but when you compare a switch hitter to other switch hitters, then a rigthy or lefty to everyone who has ever played, you certainly open yourself up to situations where you'd prefer or vote a switch hitter into the HOF despite having inferior stats/splits to a non-switch hitter.
Where did I say that? Why don't you quote the part in which you are contending?
Posted on 8/31/15 at 1:02 pm to LSU82BILL
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I'm not giving you my name. My stats are available online but they aren't split.
Batted .139 in 34 games, and hit 1 HR while driving in 7 runs
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 8/31/15 at 1:09 pm to Hot Carl
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If switch hitting was such a disadvantage, why would anybody do it?
Where do you get this from? It's not a disadvantage at all.
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Chipper had value as a hitter, period. His numbers themselves reflect it. He shouldn't be graded on a curve.
youre missing the point. Of course he had value as a hitter "by the numbers!!!", but he also had value to the manager. Knowing you'll always have the lefty to balance out some righties in a lineup. Knowing a relief pitcher NEVER has an advantage coming in late in the game. Not only vs the switch hitter, but also dictating the matchup with the batters sandwiched by the switch hitter.
To just say the value is in the numbers alone is irresponsible.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 1:12 pm to Lester Earl
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To just say the value is in the numbers alone is irresponsible.
I will agree with this.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 1:50 pm to Lester Earl
quote:It's not irresponsible. Everything you just said is NOT just an advantage of switch hitters only. Some righties/lefties have the same advantages based on splits.
youre missing the point. Of course he had value as a hitter "by the numbers!!!", but he also had value to the manager. Knowing you'll always have the lefty to balance out some righties in a lineup. Knowing a relief pitcher NEVER has an advantage coming in late in the game. Not only vs the switch hitter, but also dictating the matchup with the batters sandwiched by the switch hitter.
To just say the value is in the numbers alone is irresponsible.
If you were giving those righties the same credit, then I'd get it, but you've already said, sorry if I can't find the exact quote, but something along the lines of switch hitters getting extra credit that a righty wouldn't even with the same exact impressive and consistent splits.
You credit based on the stats/splits, so there's no need to double credit based on switch hitting.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/31/15 at 1:51 pm to SPEEDY
Yep
Posted on 8/31/15 at 1:56 pm to shel311
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Some righties/lefties have the same advantages based on splits.
once the starting pitcher is removed, they usually do not have the advantage especially left handed hitters. Righties are a little more neutral but still, relievers are brought in based their weaknesses
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You credit based on the stats/splits, so there's no need to double credit based on switch hitting.
they obviously go hand in hand. It's not "double credit".
Posted on 8/31/15 at 2:11 pm to Lester Earl
quote:If you have similar splits to a switch hitter, what advantage are you not having?
once the starting pitcher is removed, they usually do not have the advantage especially left handed hitters. Righties are a little more neutral but still, relievers are brought in based their weaknesses
Your argument seems to assume that all non-switch hitters have inferior splits to switch hitters. You never specifically say that, but when I point out how some non-switch hitters have consistent splits, you still seem to point out or think switch hitters have some kind of advantage over those guys as well.
quote:If this is actually so, there would be no need to bundle switch hitters to see who is HOF worthy. Since you do group them, that insinuates that it does not at all go hand in hand.
they obviously go hand in hand. It's not "double credit".
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