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Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:34 pm to dukke v
No no no
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:36 pm to Lester Earl
quote:cool, I'm gonna give Kobe Bryant extra credit for those high degree of difficulty shots, I'll call it the Lester Effect.
Stick to basketball Shelby
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:36 pm to dukke v
PJ, The writers already decided that Kenny isn't a HOF.
Kenny isn't better than Lou Brock. Marle already rattled off a few more.
Kenny isn't better than Lou Brock. Marle already rattled off a few more.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:37 pm to shel311
so you are saying switch hitting is pointless? That what he is doing is inefficient?
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:39 pm to Lester Earl
Andruw Jones is a HOF to me.
His defense alone for what 10 straight years? 10 straight GG. He got MVP consideration for 5 years. I'll always remember him bursting on to the scene as what a 19 year old? And hitting those homers vs New York in the WS. His very first two world series at bats.. He was so special.
His last 5 seasons in the MLB really hurt his perception and his avg..
His defense alone for what 10 straight years? 10 straight GG. He got MVP consideration for 5 years. I'll always remember him bursting on to the scene as what a 19 year old? And hitting those homers vs New York in the WS. His very first two world series at bats.. He was so special.
His last 5 seasons in the MLB really hurt his perception and his avg..
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:46 pm to Lester Earl
Basically they want to discount what he did but not give him credit for his ability to do it.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:48 pm to Lester Earl
It's not pointless or inefficient because he (probably) has better stats as a switch-hitter than he would if he only batted right handed. Again, theoretically, if he only batted from the right side instead of both sides, maybe he'd be a .270 hitter instead of .281.
Congrats, Carlos. Because you learned an impressive and difficult skill, you were able to raise your batting average 11 more points than it would have been otherwise. Well done. Because of this, in the HOF debate, I will now evaluate you as a .281 hitter instead of the .270 hitter you would have been. But I'm not going to evaluate you as a "switch hitter."
Congrats, Carlos. Because you learned an impressive and difficult skill, you were able to raise your batting average 11 more points than it would have been otherwise. Well done. Because of this, in the HOF debate, I will now evaluate you as a .281 hitter instead of the .270 hitter you would have been. But I'm not going to evaluate you as a "switch hitter."
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:51 pm to lsu31always
Yea it's like throwing out the fact Steph Curry is a 45% shooter from 3. And just saying it's as good as the same 3 points Trevor Ariza hits at 29%. 3 points is 3 points.
I'm not saying switch hitting is more important than his numbers. But when he comes up, his numbers alone will have him on the borderline. Being a switch hitter will help his case
I'm not saying switch hitting is more important than his numbers. But when he comes up, his numbers alone will have him on the borderline. Being a switch hitter will help his case
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:55 pm to Lester Earl
What? That's not the argument at all. Your Curry-Ariza example would be like if someone was arguing a .270 hitter is as good a hitter as a .300 and saying it's the same 1 hit. That's not even close to what we're saying.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:02 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Please show me exactly what I said that would even remotely give you that impression.
so you are saying switch hitting is pointless? That what he is doing is inefficient?
Pretty funny the way you interpreted that one.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:02 pm to lsu31always
quote:who is "they" and where has anything been discounted?
Basically they want to discount what he did but not give him credit for his ability to do it.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:03 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Wtf are you talking about right now?
Yea it's like throwing out the fact Steph Curry is a 45% shooter from 3. And just saying it's as good as the same 3 points Trevor Ariza hits at 29%. 3 points is 3 points.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:04 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:
Congrats, Carlos. Because you learned an impressive and difficult skill, you were able to raise your batting average 11 more points than it would have been otherwise. Well done. Because of this, in the HOF debate, I will now evaluate you as a .281 hitter instead of the .270 hitter you would have been.
now you're just pulling shite out your arse.
now what if he was a true left handed hitter. and he "theoretically", as you like to play, was a .280 hitter vs RHP, and hit .230 against LHP? and in that case, the coach would have to sit him againt lefties, or pull him late in games vs LH relief pitchers because he simply cant hit lefties well(like most left handed hitters.)
Where as a switch hitter, he gets flipped around to the right side vs LHP(.282/348/508 <-- his true splits vs RHP) and doesn't have to leave the game, or doesn't have to be an automatic out. To a further point, HE dictates the pitching matchup, and not the other team because he is a dual threat from either side of the plate.
for reference, left handed hitters in 2015 are hitting .243 vs LHP, with a 665 OPS.
As i mentioned above, Carlos Beltran on his career, his .282/348/508 vs LHP as a switch right handed hitter. But naw, it doesn't matter. No value there.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:07 pm to Lester Earl
quote:That's a different, and fairly irrelevant argument to what we're talking about.
now what if he was a true left handed hitter. and he "theoretically", as you like to play, was a .280 hitter vs RHP, and hit .230 against LHP? and in that case, the coach would have to sit him againt lefties, or pull him late in games vs LH relief pitchers because he simply cant hit lefties well(like most left handed hitters.)
The better scenario is, what if a true lefty had the exact same career splits compared to Beltran? If so, there's no reason at all to give Beltran a bump for being a switch hitter.
Beltran doesn't get the extra bump for being a switch hitter, he gets it for hitting righes and lefties well, just like you'd give the credit to a righty or lefty for doing the same.
quote:I love how you're making up arguments that no one is saying and getting sarcastic to prove a point that no one would disagree with. Well done!!!
But naw, it doesn't matter. No value there.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:08 pm to Lester Earl
Totally owning this thread baw.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:09 pm to shel311
quote:
Please show me exactly what I said that would even remotely give you that impression.
Pretty funny the way you interpreted that one.
you shouldnt have piggy backed on that stupid kobe comparison about tough shots vs layups. You're better than that.
Kobe getting extra credit for tough shots tells me nothing the surface. However, its 2015, and EVERYTHING can be measured this day in age. So If he hits them at a higher rate than other players(like Curry), then it shouldnt be discounted. You gonna sit here and tell me Curry doesnt get extra props for hiting tough shots, because he is fricking good (and efficient) at doing that? The data is there. baw. Open your eyes
The same way Carlos Betran, statistically, is one of the best switch hitters of all time.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:13 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Nah, it's fair because of the specific wording of your argument, you've said a couple of times Beltran should basically get the credit for it because "it's hard to be a switch hitter." That's what makes it a fair comparison. Had you never said that, I wouldn't have brought up that point.
you shouldnt have piggy backed on that stupid kobe comparison about tough shots vs layups. You're better than that.
quote:No you don't get extra credit for hitting tougher shots, I'd rather give the credit to a guy with a higher FG% who hits easier shots. Also, the extra credit is exactly where you said it it is, in the data. If shoot 50% from the field for your career on 20 shot attempts per game, I don't care if it was all dunks or all 20 foot turn around jumpers, the end result is the same and that's all that matters.
So If he hits them at a higher rate than other players(like Curry), then it shouldnt be discounted. You gonna sit here and tell me Curry doesnt get extra props for hiting tough shots, because he is fricking good (and efficient) at doing that? The data is there. baw. Open your eyes
quote:Cool, and that would make him no different IMO than a righty or lefty who put up the same exact stats/splits. I'd also take the righty or lefty with slightly better stats/splits 10 out of 10 times.
The same way Carlos Betran, statistically, is one of the best switch hitters of all time.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:15 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
If you put Beltran in, you'll have to put Kenny Lofton
Beltran is a better player than Kenny Lofton. I don't get that one.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:16 pm to shel311
quote:
Beltran doesn't get the extra bump for being a switch hitter
quote:
he gets it for hitting righes and lefties well,
dude, its the same thing. Read what you are typing.
quote:
The better scenario is, what if a true lefty had the exact same career splits compared to Beltran? If so, there's no reason at all to give Beltran a bump for being a switch hitter.
all things equal(and that would be a lot of moving parts), Beltran gets the nod for being a great switch hitter.
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