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Is Carlos Beltran a Hall of Famer?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:02 pm
He's 38 years old.
.281/.355/.491 lifetime
Will finish his career with 1500+ runs and RBI, 2,500+ hits, 500+ doubles, 400+ homers, 1,000+ walks. Also has 311 stolen bases in only 360 attempts (86%).
Member of the 30-30 regular season club, and the 300-300 career club. An incredible postseason player. Has the highest OPS in postseason history.
All of this while hitting from both sides of the plate.
Was considered a good defensive player in his prime.
Never a World Series champion, but very close a few times. Not that it really matters.
Yes, right?
.281/.355/.491 lifetime
Will finish his career with 1500+ runs and RBI, 2,500+ hits, 500+ doubles, 400+ homers, 1,000+ walks. Also has 311 stolen bases in only 360 attempts (86%).
Member of the 30-30 regular season club, and the 300-300 career club. An incredible postseason player. Has the highest OPS in postseason history.
All of this while hitting from both sides of the plate.
Was considered a good defensive player in his prime.
Never a World Series champion, but very close a few times. Not that it really matters.
Yes, right?
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 3:11 pm
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:06 pm to BayouBengals03
yes, he is in the MLB switch hitter hierarchy
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:06 pm to Lester Earl
Of course, a switch hitter as well. Will add to OP.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:19 pm to BayouBengals03
400 Hrs and 2500 hits, will get in. Do you think all of the 3 cathers will get in Mauer, Molina, and Posey?
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Two years ago, Beltran was amid his second strong season in a row with the Cardinals, one that would finally take him to the World Series; along the way, he added two more homers to a postseason resumé (.333/.445/.683 with 16 homers) to rival that of Big Papi. Ninth among centerfielders in JAWS and closing in on 400 homers, he seemed even more likely to make tracks towards Cooperstown when he signed a three-year deal with the Yankees in December 2013. The short rightfield porch, the big spotlight of a New York homecoming … it all fit together.
Beltran has bombed in the Bronx thus far due to age and injuries, namely a bone spur in his right elbow that required surgery last fall and then an oblique injury that sidelined him earlier this month. He’s hit a combined .245/.307/.414 with 22 homers and -0.7 WAR (including -16 Defensive Runs Saved) in 177 games in pinstripes, and while he still ranks ninth in JAWS, he’s 1.6 points below the average Hall of Fame centerfielder (statistically, a top-heavy bunch), and he's no lock to close the gap with another 3–4 WAR before his contract runs out. Adding insult to the injury from which he just returned this week, he’s now sitting against lefties in favor of Chris Young. A strong rebound that pushes him to 400 homers (he’s at 380) and 2,500 hits (he has 2,380) would almost certainly help the perception of his candidacy in the same way it has for the once-disappointing Beltre.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:20 pm to BayouBengals03
I don't understand why switch hitting needs to be considered. Switch hitting gives you a huge advantage that should be shown in your stats. You shouldn't be rewarded again for that.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:21 pm to BayouBengals03
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Is Carlos Beltran a Hall of Famer? by BayouBengals03
After Dale Murphy............
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:24 pm to BayouBengals03
If you put Beltran in, you'll have to put Kenny Lofton and Andruw Jones in as well. So the answer for me is no.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:25 pm to SwaggerCopter
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:27 pm to SwaggerCopter
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I don't understand why switch hitting needs to be considered. Switch hitting gives you a huge advantage that should be shown in your stats.
makes zero sense
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:28 pm to BayouBengals03
no
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:29 pm to dukke v
quote:
After Dale Murphy............
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:37 pm to Lester Earl
I think he didn't really explain word it well with the "huge advantage" part, but the whole point of switch hitting is to get better stats. If you can switch hit, great, but if not, oh well. Switch hitting is a means to get to a more desirable end (average, HR, RBIs, etc.) but it's the end that should be used to evaluate the player's worthiness, not the means.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:40 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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to get better stats.
would you say "better stats" generally leads to a team winning?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:42 pm to Bench McElroy
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If you put Beltran in, you'll have to put Kenny Lofton and Andruw Jones in as well. So the answer for me is no.
Yeah, Beltran seems to fit into the group that's not quite good enough to get into the HOF along with Andruw, Kenny, and Dale Murphy.
But who knows, maybe by the Beltran comes up they will pay more attention to advanced stats, but I kinda doubt it.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:43 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
switch hitting is hard to do, and when someone hits as well as he does as a switch hitter, it has to be accounted for. It's an advantage if you can do it good. Most people cannot. Hence the reason there are only 10-15 switch hitters in the HOF.
It definitely has it place as a sub category in the HOF's eyes.
It definitely has it place as a sub category in the HOF's eyes.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:44 pm to Bench McElroy
Andruw Jones has a great case. I dont think Lofton is a HOF though.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:51 pm to Lester Earl
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makes zero sense
Sure it does. Switch hitting doesn't make a hitters accomplishments more impressive. To me, something that makes a player stats more impressive would be like a pitcher's accomplishments after spending his entire career in a hitter friendly home stadium or hitter with with 400 HR's while getting pitched around because he never had a great hitter behind him in the lineup.
Here's an example. Ted Williams was a career .344 hitter with 521 HRs but only 2,654 career hits. Pretty impressive numbers,...but you rarely hear about Williams in the conversation as the greatest hitter of all time. But if you consider that he lost almost 5 full seasons to military service in his prime, that is the type of intangible that make a players statistics more impressive.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:54 pm to LSU82BILL
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but you rarely hear about Williams in the conversation as the greatest hitter of all time.
wut
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:56 pm to GynoSandberg
Yeah.....I meant greatest player. It's always Ruth, Mays, Aaron, Cobb....the guys with 600 HRs and 3,000 hits.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:57 pm to GynoSandberg
Generally, yes.
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