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re: Note to Out of State Alums
Posted on 8/27/10 at 3:36 am to randyb
Posted on 8/27/10 at 3:36 am to randyb
Why would out-of-state alums be motivated to support the university when the university won't support them?
I always gave for no real reason, and two of my three were offered all but full rides (everything other than room and board) on an academic basis. Later one of those two went to the LSU Medical School and experienced Katrina. She married a fellow doc from the same class. They are both in their residencies. Does anyone think this action is going to create good-will on their part?
I'll be honest, my kids (all three now) are past going to LSU. They all went to much better academic universities than LSU, and I will still give to LSU, but I think this is an incredibly short-sighted policy on the part of the Chancellor.
I always gave for no real reason, and two of my three were offered all but full rides (everything other than room and board) on an academic basis. Later one of those two went to the LSU Medical School and experienced Katrina. She married a fellow doc from the same class. They are both in their residencies. Does anyone think this action is going to create good-will on their part?
I'll be honest, my kids (all three now) are past going to LSU. They all went to much better academic universities than LSU, and I will still give to LSU, but I think this is an incredibly short-sighted policy on the part of the Chancellor.
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Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:48 am to carrell
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Why would out-of-state alums be motivated to support the university when the university won't support them?
Reverse this and it's more realistic. Why should the university (which has LONG been a bargain) give a handout to alums' children when we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school? Smart out-of-state kids can EASILY get merit scholarships. In fact, it's insanely easy. Basically by removing the legacy aspect, we improve the incoming student bodies. If one's out-of-state kid is too dumb to get a scholarship to LSU, I really don't care. Yes, that sounds elitist, but so be it. It's improving the quality of my university's students, and saving money.
Are Legacy scholarships really that far off from socialist-leaning programs like affirmative action? You basically reward someone who hasn't been as proven to deserve it as others. Giving someone a perk just for being the son/daughter of the right person.
How about you earn your education instead. If you can't get a scholarship to LSU, you really don't belong. Yes, that means some of you guys' dumb kids can't attend. Too bad. Most of you deserve it for giving back so little. Sorry.
Those that do give back, you have an argument. That's probably the future of Legacy scholarships. Pay-to-play.
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I think this is an incredibly short-sighted policy on the part of the Chancellor.
The chancellor is at a point where he basically has no choice. He's going to have to cut some critical programs. He's fricked regardless because it's gotten to where he can't just trim fat or throw out pointless programs. He has to cut important stuff.
Those of you who are critical of him for this really have no leg to stand on. You really think he wants to do this? You really think he hasn't exhausted all other options? He's basically running into the same shite all of our chancellors at LSU, LSUHC, everywhere in the system/state always do. fricking politics. We're getting fricked by the state. Martin's basically a commanding officer that has to chose which of his men has to die. It's not his fault that he has to make a choice, but he has to pick someone. And this is only the beginning.
If these money concerns were over not being able to field more than 20 scholarships a year in football, everyone would immediately fling their pocketbooks out. It's disgusting.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 7:04 am
Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:56 am to tiger187
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4.0 throughout high school and still won't be able to go to the college I love. My mom is a grad and I live in Mississippi.
A 4.0 in HS and you should have full tuition exemption. So you're either full of shite or clueless.
And if your mother is an LSU grad and she and her husband can't afford out-of-state tuition, well, the school failed her. Maybe you're better off not coming.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 6:58 am
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:01 am to RemouladeSawce
any student can move to Lousiiana for one year and then declare residency and get in-state tuition
this could.....just could....be a case of a situation being blown out of proportion
this could.....just could....be a case of a situation being blown out of proportion
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:19 am to Brett425
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written offers from GA
Go to Georgia. Better school.
This does set LSU back. I understand the whole merit thing. I agree with it. But LSU cannot attract top students outside LA based solely on merit. It is not there yet. The legacy program was a step toward that.
More LA students will get in. But they won't be the top students. They will be the ones that would not get in other than the fact that there are fewer out of staters. And they will pay the low tuition. And LSU will slide.
And fwiw, the legacy scholarship has merit built into it. It is not automatic.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:20 am to RemouladeSawce
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Reverse this and it's more realistic. Why should the university (which has LONG been a bargain) give a handout to alums' children when we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school? Smart out-of-state kids can EASILY get merit scholarships. In fact, it's insanely easy. Basically by removing the legacy aspect, we improve the incoming student bodies. If one's out-of-state kid is too dumb to get a scholarship to LSU, I really don't care. Yes, that sounds elitist, but so be it. It's improving the quality of my university's students, and saving money.
I will just say this....
I'm VERY knowledgable about all of this. Rockyn is pretty much dead on.
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Are Legacy scholarships really that far off from socialist-leaning programs like affirmative action? You basically reward someone who hasn't been as proven to deserve it as others. Giving someone a perk just for being the son/daughter of the right person.
Bingo. And to the tune of 75% OFF of the Out Of State tuition fees. NEARLY EVERYONE got it. Barely meet admission standards and are a legacy? 75% off. What a joke. But hey, it helped to jack up the enrollment numbers. And don't get me started on what LSU does to get these numbers up too. Part of the problem...but that's another story.
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How about you earn your education instead. If you can't get a scholarship to LSU, you really don't belong. Yes, that means some of you guys' dumb kids can't attend. Too bad. Most of you deserve it for giving back so little. Sorry.
Another BOOM.
Know one of the reasons why LSU was a Tier 3 University for so long (until they softened up the standards)? One of the factors was alumni donations back to the school. Rockyn already highlighted this.
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Those that do give back, you have an argument. That's probably the future of Legacy scholarships. Pay-to-play.
That is EXACTLY the future..
I will stop now.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:22 am to LSUMafia
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So basically its a hand out to get some kids from Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, etc that had parents go to LSU in the past get a discount?
Look, I love LSU and love Louisiana. I am trying to build my career such that I can go back, but you left. Tough luck. You made that decision. You're making more money out of state and aren't paying state income taxes to begin with if you are in Texas, yet expect a State school in Louisiana to cut you a break because your kid wasn't smart enough to get a fully merit based scholarship. Tough luck.
Lou the Jew, you made your choice and left. Why should LSU discount their fees for your kid? Because you went there? Sounds like bad business to me, especially given the debt the school is in.
And to everyone that keeps saying this will lower enrollment. LSU is already TOO FREAKING BIG as far as undergrad enrollment goes and the state is paying through the nose for it. LSU should be around 25k undergrads or less, not 32k+ to be an effective top notch university.
Another dead on statement.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:24 am to randyb
The village idiot isn't Martin. It's the idiots--morons--from the villages around Louisiana who populate the state legislature and don't understand that in tough economic times, you have to focus on your strengths, and not try to spread scarce resources across too many hometown university wannabes around the state.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:14 am to nycajun
LSU hasnt even announced the cuts for mid sept. They announced the cuts at the end of August for a 23% budget reduction. Up until this point we had between a 5-8% cut which has trimmed the various depts down to bare bones and in many cases the federal stimulus dollars greatly helped LSU out.
Now, the depts are trimmed lean and federal stimulus dollars are gone.
Now legislatures dont think 23% cut will be enough so they uppped it to 35% cut. Talk about catastrophic.
Tax cuts by Blanco and Jindal has devastated the state in tough economic times and Louisiana has stayed largely out of the recession due to 191 Billion pumped in from Katrina which they are still using.
Eliminating the Stelly Tax Act which allowed LSU to grow by leaps and bounds in the early 200's has proved to be one of the worst moves a governor can make. If we still had the Stelly Tax Act in place which gave roughly 300M towards higher education this would be blip on the radar.
Now, the depts are trimmed lean and federal stimulus dollars are gone.
Now legislatures dont think 23% cut will be enough so they uppped it to 35% cut. Talk about catastrophic.
Tax cuts by Blanco and Jindal has devastated the state in tough economic times and Louisiana has stayed largely out of the recession due to 191 Billion pumped in from Katrina which they are still using.
Eliminating the Stelly Tax Act which allowed LSU to grow by leaps and bounds in the early 200's has proved to be one of the worst moves a governor can make. If we still had the Stelly Tax Act in place which gave roughly 300M towards higher education this would be blip on the radar.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:22 am to nycajun
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The village idiot isn't Martin. It's the idiots--morons--from the villages around Louisiana who populate the state legislature and don't understand that in tough economic times, you have to focus on your strengths, and not try to spread scarce resources across too many hometown university wannabes around the state.
Bingo. Unfortunately we have almost 100% idiots in both the state Senate and State House of Representatives. I doubt this will get any better unless we demand more out of them. They do work for us, not the other way around like they sometimes think. Louisiana would be smart to combine some smaller colleges and continue to fund the flagship university (and largest system in the state) to the maximum level possible.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:22 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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It's improving the quality of my university's students, and saving money
No way the in state students who will be the "replacements" are going to be an improvement. You will simply slide further down the Louisiana food chain and accept in staters who otherwise would not even get in.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:28 am to Tigertown in ATL
bush league move by LSU
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:30 am to Tigertown in ATL
All of this is going to be inconsequential ... by the time all of the cuts are made and all of the quality professors leave LSU because of substandard funding, who's going to WANT to send their kids to LSU from other states? Both of my kids wanted to go to LSU, but it wasn't for the academics.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:49 am to RemouladeSawce
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Why should the university (which has LONG been a bargain) give a handout to alums' children
I don't know how the financial support from the state actually works, let's say the base cost of 1 student for tuition if $5000. Does the state kick in $2000 per in-state student, making the amount due from an in-state student $3000? If so, then the university is losing the $2000 for each legacy scholarship? Or was that $2000 supposed to be supplied from some sort of fund, endowment, etc.? Did the design of the legacy program call for some amount of contribution from the alumni association to cover this amount?
Or does the state just contribute a fixed amount based on tax revenue, regardless of how many in-state students are there in a given semester?
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when we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school?
certainly a problem...
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Smart out-of-state kids can EASILY get merit scholarships. In fact, it's insanely easy. Basically by removing the legacy aspect, we improve the incoming student bodies.
just anecdotal, but as a random observation I've made at reunions, family events, etc. I've gone back to through the years, the ones that move away typically have better educated kids than the ones that stay in Louisiana. just my opinion...
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:54 am to GradLSU99
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Ok first and foremost, I'm from the great state of Louisiana. I don't care how hard the times have gotten there, I love Louisiana and LSU. I am VERY proud to let people know I'm from there and will defend it to any moron who try's to bad mouth it.
I agree to an extent what some people are saying on here about the Bengal Legacy scholarship. I, unfortunately, dont live in Louisiana anymore. My choice of career has taken my wife and I away from the home we love. We both desperately want to move back there one day. So we do not contribute to the state income tax anymore that helps fund the scholarships and helps keep the lights on there. So do we really all deserve to receive such a generous discount to LSU if we live out of state when my daughters get old enough to attend there, no. But as a yearly contributor to the alumni association, and still paying back loans, I do think that alumni should get a little help...maybe a 10%-25% discount on top of any merit money that is earned. My career path has put me working at universities across this nation. Each university I have worked at climbing the ladder, they had some sort of alumni discount for their children. It was small of course, but every little bit helps, especially with the rate of tuition SOARING everywhere.
What I'm most dissapointed in is other LSU grads that still live in Louisiana, bashing us who had to leave the state because of work, not because we were desperate to leave, but because we had to go were the jobs are. If I could've stayed, trust me I would have stayed and never left. I have had a couple interviews at in state universities for jobs, and finished second a few times for them. If I got offered a job back home, we would leave tomorrow to move back. So I really applaud any and all LSU grads who stay and work hard for a living and continue to help improve the quality of life there. Just don't dump on us thinking we dont give a crap about Louisiana and just want to use LSU for some scholarship for our children just so they can go where mommy and daddy went. I still hope to send my daughter, and baby #2 (find out in 4 weeks ) to LSU if they want, with or without the legacy scholarship. If they dont, then thats their choice.
Here is to ALL LSU alumni and future graduates, and to all my friends and family in Louisiana, I pray daily for things to get better down there. Especially my friends and family that work on the rigs, or in the seafood industry.
As the words to our Alma Mater read....FOREVER LSU.
This is so spot on and no one has a comment about it. It truly disgusts me to hear these in state alumni/students/whatever talking trash about us out of state alumni. Aren't we all a part of the LSU "family"?
and finally...
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:11 am to Mudminnow
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Eliminating the Stelly Tax Act which allowed LSU to grow by leaps and bounds in the early 200's has proved to be one of the worst moves a governor can make. If we still had the Stelly Tax Act in place which gave roughly 300M towards higher education this would be blip on the radar.
The Stelly Tax was nothing more than a shift of usage taxes that were more evenly distributed among citizens towards higher income earning taxpayers. Why should we consider raising tax rates on successful people again just to defer usage taxes on people who already milk the system and pay no taxes? Maybe the answer is cutting/combining some of the smaller state funded colleges instead of weakening LSU which is the strongest state school by far. Look at the three schools within 45 minutes of each other in ULM, Grambling, and La Tech for example. Seems like a waste of money to fund all three separately.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:20 am to 1984Tiger
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All of this is going to be inconsequential ... by the time all of the cuts are made and all of the quality professors leave LSU because of substandard funding, who's going to WANT to send their kids to LSU from other states? Both of my kids wanted to go to LSU, but it wasn't for the academics.
With all due respect, where are they going to go?
From the Chronicle of Higher Education:
"At least 43 states have implemented cuts to public colleges and universities...."
People keep acting like this is a Louisiana and Bobby Jindal issue. Florida State laid off 200 employees including tenured faculty. South Carolina had forced furloughs and retirements of faculty members. This is a nationwide issue and not just in Louisiana. Are they going to go to the private sector? Where are there jobs there? It's not like in the 80s where Louisiana's economy bottomed out and other states had the money to hire faculty away from LSU. It's a nationwide problem.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:24 am to TigerinSoCal
Why not just cut LSU-A and LSU-E? Or make them into 2yr juco. For the size of LA there are to many colleges. Why not try to build a better juco sys and those kids can go to LSU/Tech/ULL(M)?
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:39 am to RemouladeSawce
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we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school?
I think this is a critical point. For all of the people who supposedly love LSU, there is little support for the school compared to other SEC universities.
This is a prominent LSU message board and I haven't seen too many posts about the proposed cuts to a lot of the programs and services at LSU. Many of the posts I have seen discuss "trimming the fat" at LSU. It seems like a lot of people don't really care about what is happening at the university until it affects them. There are a lot of major issues that are going to stem from these cuts.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:41 am to randyb
I'm not reading the whole thread, but simple solution, stop moving out of state, or if you have, move back in state. Problem solved.
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