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re: Note to Out of State Alums
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:40 pm to PRK
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:40 pm to PRK
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Signed, the 90% of Texas students who financially support UT and A&M but are unable to attend. The "I pay taxes so I deserve a cheap LSU education" argument doesn't hold water if you want LSU to grow in prestige. If you're happy with its current national profile, then I guess that makes sense.
They're not just paying for those schools but ever public school in the state. They have no right to attend a school if they don't meet the requirements for admission. But if they do meet the requirements and are admitted, they will receive the benefit of being in the state.
But you're changing the argument to begin with. Now your involving every student in Texas as if that represents the alumni base of LSU.
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bullshite on the importance, or bullshite on most other schools depending less on the state?
bullshite on public institutions in general not relying on state dollars. You think those oil and gas taxes that go to UT and aTm aren't given to them? They may have had a smarter funding mechanism, but they receive significant dollars.
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Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:40 pm to Tiger Authority
We can agree on that. And I wouldn't be opposed to a "top 10% auto-accept" rule in LA either, although it would need to be adjusted for the quality & size of the Louisiana education system.
We wouldn't need to have this discussion if the Louisiana constitution wasn't such a clusterfrick.
We wouldn't need to have this discussion if the Louisiana constitution wasn't such a clusterfrick.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:43 pm to PRK
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We can agree on that. And I wouldn't be opposed to a "top 10% auto-accept" rule in LA either, although it would need to be adjusted for the quality & size of the Louisiana education system.
IMO, this is a really dumb thing in Texas so I can't agree on the 10% rule. If you're a senior with a 4.0 at Stratford, you're likely not even in consideration for UT.
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We wouldn't need to have this discussion if the Louisiana constitution wasn't such a clusterfrick.
Agree. And the stupidity and lack of political willpower throughout the state. SUNO Merger is the perfect example.
This post was edited on 7/29/11 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:46 pm to Tiger Authority
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I'm not sure how many think they are entitled, hopefully none. This was an incentive put in place by LSU in hopes of continuing legacy families. Unless someone is coming to study something that is very strong, or somewhat unique, at LSU, the OOS surcharge isn't really a good value for the education dollar compared to other state schools. So again, for LSU it was about possibly getting a legacy student to the school who may not otherwise come. If that is not a good investment by LSU, then I agree they need to cancel the program.
not sure how long you have to be in LA to establish residency, but my wife and I worked for 12 years in LA before moving. So I" probably contributed much more than someone who moved there 3 years ago.
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4. Not sure why OOS alums are entitled to the benefits that the instate residents pay for through taxes, etc. just because they came to school here and then left for better economic opportunities.
I'm not sure how many think they are entitled, hopefully none. This was an incentive put in place by LSU in hopes of continuing legacy families. Unless someone is coming to study something that is very strong, or somewhat unique, at LSU, the OOS surcharge isn't really a good value for the education dollar compared to other state schools. So again, for LSU it was about possibly getting a legacy student to the school who may not otherwise come. If that is not a good investment by LSU, then I agree they need to cancel the program.
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I, having been a Louisiana resident, paid taxes for the services offered in this state. One of these benefits for being a resident and paying those taxes is a decrease in the amount I'm expected to pay at a public university in the state, which makes perfect sense.
not sure how long you have to be in LA to establish residency, but my wife and I worked for 12 years in LA before moving. So I" probably contributed much more than someone who moved there 3 years ago.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:48 pm to Tiger Authority
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Tiger Authority
I concede the point. I'll say that I appreciate your style of reasoned argument. Live & learn.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:50 pm to ForeLSU
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not sure how long you have to be in LA to establish residency, but my wife and I worked for 12 years in LA before moving. So I" probably contributed much more than someone who moved there 3 years ago.
Yeah I've always been a resident. Just using it as an example.
My point is that people leave the state for economic opportunity. That's really what it comes down to, nothing else in most cases. So if you leave the state for some benefit elsewhere, I don't see why it's LSU's responsibility to give your child instate tuition because you lived here for a time and came to school here.
LSU isn't going to spike in the rankings because of a handful of "legacy" students. They'll spike in the rankings if we can fund higher education better, increase our endowment, and give full control of tuition and financing to LSU.
Fund the school, the ranking will follow, and this conversation will be moot.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:50 pm to PRK
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Tiger Authority
I concede the point. I'll say that I appreciate your style of reasoned argument. Live & learn.
Have a good one.Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:55 pm to Tiger Authority
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So if you leave the state for some benefit elsewhere, I don't see why it's LSU's responsibility to give your child instate tuition because you lived here for a time and came to school here.
again, no one thinks it's LSU's responsibility. LSU created the program as an incentive...someone obviously thought it would benefit LSU. If it's not then it should be canceled, I have no problem with that.
Posted on 7/31/11 at 1:23 pm to ForeLSU
Hey Legacy Parents! If you are buying a condo and paying property taxes to Louisiana and purchasing an auto and paying sales taxes to Louisiana, that still does not make up for the fact that some of us have been paying taxes in Louisiana for over 40 years to send our child to LSU. The construction of new buildings and classrooms are not paid for my your REDUCED tuition. It is called being paid for by the Capital Outlay program - Tax Dollars. Legacy should allow to admit your cheild to LSU at out-of-state rates to make everyone equal. They want to wear Purple and Gold, pay for it, its that simple.
Posted on 7/31/11 at 1:49 pm to randyb
I'd like to know if this is really Martin, or his boss, Skeletor. Lombardi is the one trying to turn TOPS into another welfare program instead of what Patrick Taylor set it up to be, and from several one on one conversations with Martin, he does not agree with his boss on that one. Lombardi was run off from his last two jobs by this time, it's time to send him packing from Baton Rouge. 
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