re: Listing of the Pros and Cons of Les Miles as HC

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I believe most of the credit goes to the university itself.

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Could you recruit Top 5 classes consistently at LSU?

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yes!

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As far as LM recruiting before LSU, looking kind of average.

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Terrible analysis because you give no baseline. Here is a better way of figuring it out, using Rivals data:

LSU in the 4 years prior to Miles' arrival averaged a class ranking of 10th. Since Miles arrived, LSU's classes have been ranked 5.8 on average.

OSU in the 4 years with Miles averaged a class ranking of 25.5. In the 5 years since he has left, their class average has fallen to 29th.

I would say that Miles alone is good enough to bump a school up 4 spots on average. That is 1 or 2 five stars, and could make or break a program.

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With your baseline approach it shows Miles has a positive affect on recruiting, but LSU is still a top 10 school with out Miles. IMO we can get a coach that adds the same value without the short comings. I also think LM falls short in development. If he gets the 1-2 five star players and he doesn't get the most out of him, than we have gained nothing

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This x 1,000,000

Great point

I think it is this simple. Let the negatigers compare the other top ranked programs in the country during the same years as Les Miles' tenure. Please demonstrate through the Win-Loss record those programs and coaches who have excelled past what Les Miles has done in the time span. Then tell me which one of those few coaches is going to quit that school and come coach at LSU.

Miles won us the title in '07. We've had 2 bad years (Texas is down this year people) but he learned from it and got us freaking Chavis and is keeping him loyal, and I trust he will wise up and get us a replacement at OC after this year also. Please recognize that this year we started 7-0 for the first time since 1973!! We are on the rebound already people. Miles has already bettered his best start. Saban didn't go 7-0 here. And the first 6 games this year were not cupcakes.

Elite programs do NOT grow on trees no matter how sweet the circumstances are. Look at Miami, even Florida State over the past several years--grossly underachieving considering their circumstances. Look at Florida when it was under Ron Zook. Georgia has a sweet pot also, you do realize that Georgia is extremely wealthy for recruiting but Georgia and Georgia Tech have not been able to rise to the level of LSU. Other schools like UCLA should be much much better considering their recruiting opportunities.

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Miles is significantly better than Saban was at LSU

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That's not accurate at all. Both recruited very well at LSU.

To say that Les recruits significantly better than Saban did is a joke. There were some real holes on the 2008 and 2009 teams, and Miles started with a stacked deck.

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Poor game day coaching

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this is great. a bad game day coach continues to reside in the top 3rd of the best conference in america. explain how this is possible.

as for the rest of your list, it's the same old story. you are overlooking that OTHER COACHES HAVE FAULTS TOO.

some people are just never going to get it.

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a bad game day coach continues to reside in the top 3rd of the best conference in america.

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at the expense of the team, the fans, and the University. Just because he is now a "squatter" and can't be gotten rid of does not mean he deserves to be here.

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the same old story. you are overlooking that OTHER COACHES HAVE FAULTS TOO.

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The post is not about "other coaches".

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some people are just never going to get it.

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Indeed.

Despite anything else. Les Miles is a winner.