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Listing of the Pros and Cons of Les Miles as HC

Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:07 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:07 pm
Everyone seems to get all excited and throw out meaningless drivel when they discuss Miles and his future at LSU. Well, lets try to list the pros and cons of Les Miles as HC and what he brings to the entire program. If it is a pro/con that is absurd, I will not list it. Some items can arguably be on either side, and if that is the case, I will list them as such. I will try and keep up with people's suggestions. Please, do not hijack the thread and bitch about someone's suggestion. Just list things you would like to see added to the Pro side and what should be added to the Con side.

Once we have established a comprehensive list, we can engage in a more constructive debate. If you want Miles gone, you will have to address as many Cons as possible while maintaining as many Pros as possible. Vice versa if you want Miles to stay. I will get the list started.

Pros:
Violation-free program
Realistically expect 9+ wins a year
Realistically expect Top 5 Recruiting classes(Family man included in this pro)
Realistically expect SEC West every 4 years
Realistically expect SEC Champion every 6 years
Some great assistant coaches
Ingenious quotes
4th quarter fireworks
Player loyalty
Bowl-game preperation
Hardly ever get blown out/Hang close as underdog
Added: Don't expect his name to come up on a whole lot of coaching vacancy short lists unlike Saban whose name was brought up every 3 months


Cons:
Player loyalty
Some questionable assitant coaches
Realistically expect 2+ loss each year
Realistically expect 1+ loss as a favorite
Realistically expect problems to be addressed ONLY at the end of the season
Idiotic quotes
4th quarter fireworks
Questionable in-game coaching
Hardly ever blow someone out/keep it close as favorite
Added: Don't expect his name to come up on a whole lot of coaching vacancy short lists

This post was edited on 11/5/10 at 5:16 pm
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28345 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:09 pm to
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Questionable in-game coaching


You are too kind.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20446 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:12 pm to
Pros: Don't expect his name to come up on a whole lot of coaching vacancy short lists unlike Saban whose name was brought up every 3 months

Cons: Don't expect his name to come up on a whole lot of coaching vacancy short lists
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85064 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

RealityTiger


Your suggestion had been noted. Good point about "coaching stability".
Posted by real
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
14027 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:26 pm to
I really believe Miles could be a good head Coach IF he would get Assistants like Saban had. These or the guys who do the coaching. And apparently Les has a problem finding an offensive Coach. Just like the op say's, Les is a good man in alot of ways.
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:28 pm to
Pros

Recruiting

Cons

Everything else

(P.S. A list of Pros and Cons should actually be relevant to the assessment being undertaken. Thus, "family man" should be stricken from your list. The fact that Miles is a family man is completely unrelated to his abilities as a college football coach.)
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77518 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:29 pm to
Does "family man" really belong a Pros list? How is that related to coaching football?
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77518 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Realistically expect 1+ loss each year

Should be changed to 2, when has he lost less than 2?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85064 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Does "family man" really belong a Pros list? How is that related to coaching football?


I think it speaks to the success he has had in recruiting. He comes off as very genuine, and that is the case because he truly does aspire for greatness from his players both on and off the field. However, if you think it should be rolled into the recruiting label, it shall be done!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85064 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Should be changed to 2, when has he lost less than 2?


Done.
Posted by Dro
Barrett's Barleycorn
Member since Feb 2010
12617 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Listing the Cons of Les Miles as HC
FIFY
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85064 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Pros

Recruiting

Cons

Everything else


Not sure if it is that black and white

Miles career averages at LSU are well above our historical average, so to assume that those numbers will stay the same REGARDLESS of the head coach is moronic. That is why there is more than one pro for him as HC. 9+ wins may not be acceptable, but it certainly is not a given that a replacement would bring LSU out of this state of mediocrity that in which some fans suggest we have fallen.
Posted by real
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
14027 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

family man is completely unrelated to his abilities as a college football coach.)
Well It became a big problem when Curly started running around with Co-eds.
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
11960 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Well It became a big problem when Curly started running around with Co-eds.

uh oh
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Realistically expect SEC West every 4 years


really, every 4 years? So if we don't win this year (doubtful) we DEFINITELY will win next year? GTFO.

quote:

Realistically expect SEC Champion every 6 years


Again, really? How do you come up with this "realistic" expectation?

quote:

Some great assistant coaches


how many different assistant coaches has he hired? How good have they been?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67591 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:57 pm to
Pros

1. W-L record
2. Recruiting
3. With a month to prepare his teams play well

Cons
1. Recruiting-gets too much credit for recruting a state rich in talent and facilites are 2nd to none. Everyone wants to say what did Hallman and Dinardo do etc....well LSU was not a powerhouse and did not have the facilities it has now.
2. Clock management
3. Gameday coaching
4. Interviews
5. Player loyalty- an obvious hinderance considering he remains loyal to players that are not producing.
6. Indecisive- kept GC too long!

Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20446 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

With a month to prepare his teams play well

Could be debated. Case in point: Cap One Bowl last year. Of course there was the field, but it was the same for Penn State too.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85064 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:08 pm to
I would say that his Special Teams coach is pretty good. Frank Wilson has been a great hire. Chavis is one of the top DCs in the country.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85064 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:12 pm to
He won the West twice in the last 5 years. That means he has 3 years of slack. It is an average dumbass. Same with the SEC Championships. Most fans would agree those numbers are attainable under Miles. If you think an LSU coach should do better, that is fine. However the numbers are reasonable.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:15 pm to
it's amazing that some people think a "moron" can win as much as miles has in the toughest conference. the sec has some of the best coaching yet, lsu can just throw some talented, poorly coached players on the field and continue to live in the top 3rd of the conference.

makes sense.
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