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re: Listing of the Pros and Cons of Les Miles as HC
Posted on 11/2/10 at 10:30 pm to real
Posted on 11/2/10 at 10:30 pm to real
quote:
Les has a problem finding an offensive Coach.
No
Les doesn't even look for one. There is a great OC and future head coach in Boise Idaho who's name is Harsin. Miles should have contacted this guy over the summer, had the AD hire him and fire Crowton. 
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Posted on 11/2/10 at 10:47 pm to slackster
Just to clarify some of your points:
For your pros:
LSU is not violation-free under Miles
I don't see how anyone can honestly say right now it is realistically expected to win the West or the SEC in any time period under him anymore given the last 3 years.
Cons:
Guaranteed at least 2 losses per year. He's never proven he can lose less than 2 even in his best years.
Clock Management
Player development
Unequal Accountability
Questionable recruiting of certain positions such as QB
Requires tons of help from his Assistants and brings little to the table like a Meyer on O and Saban on D, thus requiring tons of money having to be spent on coordinators and assistants.
For your pros:
LSU is not violation-free under Miles
I don't see how anyone can honestly say right now it is realistically expected to win the West or the SEC in any time period under him anymore given the last 3 years.
Cons:
Guaranteed at least 2 losses per year. He's never proven he can lose less than 2 even in his best years.
Clock Management
Player development
Unequal Accountability
Questionable recruiting of certain positions such as QB
Requires tons of help from his Assistants and brings little to the table like a Meyer on O and Saban on D, thus requiring tons of money having to be spent on coordinators and assistants.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 12:21 am to LSUMafia
quote:
LSU is not violation-free under Miles
Explain.
quote:
I don't see how anyone can honestly say right now it is realistically expected to win the West or the SEC in any time period under him anymore given the last 3 years.
I can honestly say that I believe LSU will win the West an average of 1 in 4 years. I think it is common knowledge that this team was/is a serviceable QB away from winning it this year, and next year looks very promising, even with Newton at Auburn. In fact, I would say LSU should be the odds on favorite to win the West next year coming off of a 10-2 year at worst and returning 9 starters on offense to go along with 7 I believe on defense.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 12:40 am to slackster
quote:
LSU is not violation-free under Miles
Explain.
Akiem Hicks my good man. That was actually a major violation and has yet to be ruled on if I am not mistaken. Whether Miles knew about or permitted it doesn't discount the fact LSU is not violation-free under Miles.
That said, he's done a good job minimizing it.
As for winning the West once every 4 years, I still don't agree. LSU likely won't win it this year (assuming Auburn beats UGA) and I just don't see it next year.
Having a serviceable quarterback isn't that easy. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have been in this position which won't change next year even if Mettenberger joins the team.
Defense will take a small step down as will special teams assuming the seniors and PP leave.
The QB issue plays into coaching or lack their of.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 8:19 am to slackster
i think their are way to many pros on that list....and not enough cons...Face it, damn near any coach could have had his record at LSU when Saban left the cupboard full as can be...Most of the people who know and can jugde talent, (whether it be coaching or players) has seen this coming for a long time....face it the man is not a good coach....lucky is an understatement...
his inability to see that Jefferson is the worst QB to ever come out of LSU and continues to start him is beyond the stupidity of pee wee herman.....and thats enough for me to consider him the ultimate dumbass....
fire his arse and let TAF pay the bill....what you would get in one BCS game would cover it...and if you think a new coach couldnt take LSU to the BCS next year, your nuts...were loaded...
his inability to see that Jefferson is the worst QB to ever come out of LSU and continues to start him is beyond the stupidity of pee wee herman.....and thats enough for me to consider him the ultimate dumbass....
fire his arse and let TAF pay the bill....what you would get in one BCS game would cover it...and if you think a new coach couldnt take LSU to the BCS next year, your nuts...were loaded...
Posted on 11/3/10 at 8:46 am to TigerFan55555
IMO, that is Miles' biggest CON....doesn't seem to have a good ability to evaluate talent. One would think that after the last two seasons of dismal QB play, he would have scoured the JC's and found someone that could run the offense.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 8:52 am to slackster
Pro: his graduation rate is great (esp reletive to previous hc's)
Con: too loyal to asst.s ; he needs to demand more from them, esp since he's a ceo type of coach. our OL coach should not be here this year. not sure about WR coach, but i'm leaning that way. as far as OC. definately a goner.
Con: too loyal to asst.s ; he needs to demand more from them, esp since he's a ceo type of coach. our OL coach should not be here this year. not sure about WR coach, but i'm leaning that way. as far as OC. definately a goner.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 8:56 am to TigerBandAlumnus82
quote:how would any fan know this for sure? they don't.
Hires and keeps weak assistants too long
quote:
Weak QB and OL recruiting.
name the team that doesn't have some sort of "weakness" recruiting
quote:
"Unbalanced" recruiting classes that are far too heavily weighted towards speed and athleticism. Not enough "Smart football players that make plays" types.
hilarious. if miles did this, fans would be calling for his head because he didn't recruit pro-type athletes
quote:
Lack of discipline, organization and attention to the little details that keep a program at an elite level over the long haul.
first, reasonable people would say you're completely wrong on this; that he does have discipline and organization that keeps the program in the elite. second, as of now, lsu is still in the elite despite '08.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:01 am to LSUMafia
quote:not that any fan would know this for sure
Requires tons of help from his Assistants
quote:spurrier brings alot to the table on offense. so did mike leach. so did charlie weiss. randy shannon supposedly did also. this list could go on and on. the point is it's perfectly acceptable for the head coach to be an administrator, ceo type of leader and not run the offense or the defense. from what i understand, saban has learned this lesson and is letting his assistants do more which is why he's having more success at bama than he did at lsu.
brings little to the table like a Meyer on O and Saban on D
quote:you might not be aware of this but, lsu isn't the only sec school that spends alot on assistants.
requiring tons of money having to be spent on coordinators and assistants.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:10 am to bfniii
quote:100+ ranked offense last year, and so far this year... i'd say that was to long....
how would any fan know this for sure? they don't
Hell he fired the co-dcs after one year of being ranked in the 50s....
quote:not really....
lsu is still in the elite despite '08.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:20 am to bfniii
quote:
you might not be aware of this but, lsu isn't the only sec school that spends alot on assistants.
Who is getting a better return on their investment?
I would be willing to bet LSU pays in the top 3 of the SEC. You can argue til the cows come home that LSU is 7-1 this year but does the product you see every saturday resemble a greatly coached team? And be honest and tell me how we see results of great coaching and don't respond with we are 7-1.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:23 am to TiegerTim
quote:keep in mind, the offense has improved. lsu is a solid running team this year. the o line should be improved next year and we're loaded at rb so, that probably isn't going to change. despite that, still think it's time for crowton to move on.
100+ ranked offense last year, and so far this year... i'd say that was to long
quote:in what way is lsu not in the elite since '05?
not really
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:33 am to Topwater Trout
quote:once again, myopia. no coach can continually dominate the sec. not even meyer. is florida a greatly coached team this year? why does meyer get a pass and is still considered one of the best yet miles does not get a pass for not dominating the sec?
does the product you see every saturday resemble a greatly coached team?
quote:why can't people say that the end result is what ultimately matters? miles is winning a ton of games in the toughest conference. his record at lsu is among the very best 5 year spans in the sec in the last 3 decades.
And be honest and tell me how we see results of great coaching and don't respond with we are 7-1.
if miles sucked so bad, why does he continue to win? he's had plenty of chances to pull a "curley".
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:34 am to bfniii
quote:but it is still ranked 100+... its not terribly hard to improve off of last years 112th finish... to say this offense is anything but bad is... well... not true..
the offense has improved
quote:LSU was not elite in '08, '09 and I don't think we're considered an elite team this year....
lsu not in the elite since '05?
ETA... and despite the good recruiting class coming in for 2011, with the same QB play and the seniors we are losing, i don't see '11 as being an elite year either...
This post was edited on 11/3/10 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:43 am to bfniii
Good objective list.
Interesting; Miles mentioned this morning in the Advocate as a potential replacement in Colorado and Michigan (again). I believe the listing in both pros and cons about not being mentioned as someone else's possible coach...
a pro, if it isn't listed already, is that a Miles team is always competitive. The Auburn game stats-wise was a blowout, one we had a chance to win midway thru the 4th quarter. Similarly last years' Ole Miss game, we had absolutely no business being in position to win had there been a few secs more in the game. Point is to beat a Miles team, you have to thoroughly dominate the game. Anything less than that, and Miles usu finds a way to win.
Interesting; Miles mentioned this morning in the Advocate as a potential replacement in Colorado and Michigan (again). I believe the listing in both pros and cons about not being mentioned as someone else's possible coach...
a pro, if it isn't listed already, is that a Miles team is always competitive. The Auburn game stats-wise was a blowout, one we had a chance to win midway thru the 4th quarter. Similarly last years' Ole Miss game, we had absolutely no business being in position to win had there been a few secs more in the game. Point is to beat a Miles team, you have to thoroughly dominate the game. Anything less than that, and Miles usu finds a way to win.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:45 am to bfniii
quote:
does the product you see every saturday resemble a greatly coached team?
quote:but they can resemble a well coached team...
no coach can continually dominate the sec
quote:that is true, however
why can't people say that the end result is what ultimately matters?
Lets say that on the way to work this morning i notice that my brakes were acting up, but i still made it to work ok. If i don't recognize that i have an issue and get the problem corrected, i'm going to have some serious issues in the not to distant future...
Posted on 11/3/10 at 9:49 am to Scoob
We're still considered "elite"; we were IN POSITION to be in the BCS title game going into the Auburn game. We lost, but possibly STILL a chance, depending on just what Aub and Bama do to each other- if we win out, and Bama beats Aub, I think we may still be in top 2.
edited- ooops my bad, we need Auburn to lose once more.
Not elite- Michigan State, Missouri-> had they kept winning, they still weren't. a 1 loss Bama team still trumps them.
edited- ooops my bad, we need Auburn to lose once more.
Not elite- Michigan State, Missouri-> had they kept winning, they still weren't. a 1 loss Bama team still trumps them.
This post was edited on 11/3/10 at 9:51 am
Posted on 11/3/10 at 10:05 am to TiegerTim
quote:
Lets say that on the way to work this morning i notice that my brakes were acting up, but i still made it to work ok. If i don't recognize that i have an issue and get the problem corrected, i'm going to have some serious issues in the not to distant future...
I think you just lost any arguement for Miles as the coach with that statement.
2008- present LSU has had some real squeaky brakes...and since they didn't replace the pads(GC) they need to do a whole new brake job.
Posted on 11/3/10 at 10:22 am to TiegerTim
quote:but has still improved thus undermining the criticism that miles "hangs on" to assistants too long. the season isn't over. there is a possibility the passing game could improve. although i personally doubt it and think lsu needs a change, that still doesn't justify the criticism.
but it is still ranked 100+
quote:this will never end. cherry picking a small enough sample size can make ANY coach look ordinary
LSU was not elite in '08, '09
Posted on 11/3/10 at 10:27 am to TiegerTim
quote:the problem with this is the subjectivity. resonable people understand that lsu keeps winning despite flaws. every team has flaws and some are not able to overcome them in order to win games. miles doesn't get credit for this; richt's current season, meyer's current season, mack brown's current season, miles hasn't lost a uab/ulm type game, etc
but they can resemble a well coached team
quote:the vague analogy doesn't acknowledge that the offense has improved, if only slightly, and doesn't preclude the fact that miles might make a change after this season. despite the issues, lsu has still had two respectable seasons and appears to be trending upward post '08
i'm going to have some serious issues in the not to distant future
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