re: Listing of the Pros and Cons of Les Miles as HC

he's won the sec west how many times?

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I think your problem is that you are far to worried with the process and not concerned enough with the results.

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I am concerned with both, I am also concerned that if the process isn't improved we will suffer in results. A win is a win is a win is fine and dandy. I enjoy seeing LSU play well in all areas of the game. I enjoyed the Va Tech and Miami wins alot more then the Tennessee and Mcneese wins.

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2-3 years is a little stong. 3 years ago today LSU was in the middle of a NC run. If you are saying this year is subpar, perhaps you can explain to Alabama that they too are having a subpar year since they are tied with LSU in the West and both teams are 7-1.

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LSU played for a national title 3 years ago? 2008 year of the int, 2009 year of horrible offense and mediocre d, 2010 still playing out but offense is still horrible. Or did you mean the National title game was in Jan 08?

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Makes me wonder about the true potential of the last 3 seasons...did we underachieve...were we poised for another crystal ball or two

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This

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Makes me wonder about the true potential of the last 3 seasons...did we underachieve...were we poised for another crystal ball or two?

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It makes me wonder that as well. But, sometimes I wonder if Miles is a shitty recruiter and these classes are over ranked, and in fact, he is actually coaching his arse off and these teams are overachieving.

I think 2011 is Miles year. His big time classes will be maturing and he brings back alot of experience. He also has a chance to make some changes and show what he can do. Without knowing how this year turns out, I think 2011 will make or break Miles. If he does poorly, it will be far enough removed from the NC to make a move without a PR firestorm. Other coaches will not be scared off by the fanbase and their expectations if Miles is let go after less than 10 wins with the team he will have next year, IMO.

I am not trying to be a smartass, but I don't see Les winning another SEC Championship again while at LSU. The league is too competitive for Les now. I don't even have the expectation he will win another West Title. I would say SEC every 10 years and West every 5 and that is generous I think.

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Miles career averages at LSU are well above our historical average, so to assume that those numbers will stay the same REGARDLESS of the head coach is moronic. That is why there is more than one pro for him as HC. 9+ wins may not be acceptable, but it certainly is not a given that a replacement would bring LSU out of this state of mediocrity that in which some fans suggest we have fallen.

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I think many people take it for granted.

I know everyone wants 11 wins a year and nothing less, but going by history what Miles has done to date (I'm not talking about this season) is above the curve...

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We can look at Miles' record and there are a lot of positives but there are just as many negatives in the same numbers

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i can't see how this is true in any sense. the positives have FAR outweighed the negatives.

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If a "PRO" for Miles is his ability to recruit and we consistently have top 5 recruiting classes, then how do we explain the 4 and 5 loss seasons, or the anemic offensive output over the last two seasons? If we have talent and we have luck, what is the missing variable?

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yet again, this is myopic. all teams go through these issues. all teams have weaknesses or lose games over the course of 5 seasons. if you look at 5 year spans, miles is in very, very good company.

Pros: 8-10 wins a year.
Recruits well
Keeps LSU in the national spotlight
Beats the teams he is supposed to, with few exceptions

Cons: Seems to be a ceiling on the level he can take a team, without a LOT of help ('07)
Loses to teams he is supposed to lose to
Player development sucks
Too loyal to crappy assistants
Can be embarrassing to the fan base
Is exasperating.

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Miles is not being paid to coach against the LSU teams of days gone by...He is being coached to play against and win against SEC, particularly SECW competition. He has been woeful the last two seasons, and this season is still very much in jeopardy.

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bullshite.

His job is to win football games. There is no "emphasis" on a particular group of teams.

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Cons:
Player loyalty
Some questionable assitant coaches
Realistically expect 2+ loss each year
Realistically expect 1+ loss as a favorite
Realistically expect problems to be addressed ONLY at the end of the season
Idiotic quotes
4th quarter fireworks
Questionable in-game coaching
Hardly ever blow someone out/keep it close as favorite
Added: Don't expect his name to come up on a whole lot of coaching vacancy short lists

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* Hires and keeps weak assistants too long.
DING DING DING DING. (Peveto, Mallory, Lane, Yanowsky, McCarthy, Studrawa, Crowton)
Jury still out on Haley, Gonzales, Wilson and Ensminger.

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* No dedicated QB coach which the program needs.
* Weak QB and OL recruiting.
* "Unbalanced" recruiting classes that are far too heavily weighted towards speed and athleticism. Not enough "Smart football players that make plays" types. Doesn't understand that you need a good balance of both to compete for National Championships.
* Lack of discipline, organization and attention to the little details that keep a program at an elite level over the long haul.
* Questionable player personnel evaluator (Especially at the QB/OL positions)
* Embarrassingly bad public speaker.........