re: Jefferson threw five 200+ yard passing games in 2009.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:05 pm to just me

He will throw for 200 a couple of times this year, but it will most likely be in a blowout. I certainly cringe at the thought of LSU having to come back late in a game and depend on him passing. JJ can pass for a lot of yards. He just isn't consistent.

Posted by Icansee4miles

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber

Rewatching some highlights the other night from the UNC and MooState games (there were none from Vandy), and I swear, a pretty fair number of his passes are going through the air like Hartley's game winning field goal the other night. Definitely not a nice spiral, and coupled with his throwing motion, it is almost painful to watch, even when a completion results.

Posted by Butterfingers

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:17 pm to Antonio Moss

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No QB has grasped this playbook.

To be fair there has only been JJ and JL. I cited Matt Flynn yesterday but was told that doesnt count becuase Crowton was technically running Jimbo's offense.

Posted by Datbayoubengal

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber

Led the team down the field against Arky to put up a FG. Also led the team against Penn St but couldn't finish because some dude sitting on Hitt wasting all the time up. Got the ball to Lafell on a screen pass that got us into FG range at Ole Miss but instead of running the ball 3times and kick a FG Miles or Crowton call shotgun passes when he had a sack problem, throw flares out to Ridley 7yd behind the line of scrimmage and let 20 something seconds run off the clock before taking another snap. You can't get a snap off with 1sec on the clock because the ball has to be set for a sec and the clock was running.

ANd he was arguably the best QB to play against Bama and was the first QB(or player for that matter) to score a TD against them in the first half last year. Was playing great but got knocked out on cheap arse hits by Bama defenders. Had he an Scott not have been injured in that game we win and that emotion carries us throughout the rest of the season.

Posted by Antonio Moss

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:24 pm to Butterfingers

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To be fair there has only been JJ and JL.

Nope.

Dennis Dixon and John Beck (both NFL QBs) struggled tremendously under this system and flourished once the system was replaced.

Posted by nrtiger

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:28 pm to just me

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Jefferson had five 200+ yard passing games against BCS opponents in 2009.

FIFY

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Why do some people think that he won't have a 200+ yard passing game this year?

FIFY

Plenty of throwing and passing going on.

This post was edited on 9/24/10 at 3:30 pm

Posted by Butterfingers

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:37 pm to Antonio Moss

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Nope.

So everytime that Crowton has had success it was not his system but everytime someone has failed it was his system.

Can you explain to me why Crowton would run an offense in 2007 (which won the MNC and was one of the best offenses in the NCAA) and then completely change it up for two freshmen qb's the next year.

Posted by RBWilliams8

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:41 pm to just me

I'm not saying he wont... But miles wasn't bent on running last year

Posted by Antonio Moss

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:48 pm to Butterfingers

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So everytime that Crowton has had success it was not his system but everytime someone has failed it was his system.

No, he was successful running a different system at La Tech. He's just had no success running this read option system.

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Can you explain to me why Crowton would run an offense in 2007 (which won the MNC and was one of the best offenses in the NCAA) and then completely change it up for two freshmen qb's the next year.

Personal opinion: He's an egotistical maniac.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 3:49 pm to Datbayoubengal

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Led the team down the field against Arky to put up a FG. Also led the team against Penn St but couldn't finish because some dude sitting on Hitt wasting all the time up. Got the ball to Lafell on a screen pass that got us into FG range at Ole Miss but instead of running the ball 3times and kick a FG Miles or Crowton call shotgun passes when he had a sack problem, throw flares out to Ridley 7yd behind the line of scrimmage and let 20 something seconds run off the clock before taking another snap. You can't get a snap off with 1sec on the clock because the ball has to be set for a sec and the clock was running.

I hope that wasn't intended to be impressive. I want the QB's at LSU to succeed as much as anyone but I have zero confidence at crunch time.

Posted by therocketscientist

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 4:04 pm to TexasTiger89

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Those are games we lost or were trailing, so many of those yards were picked up against prevent defenses.

That is why spouting stats one year removed from a game is so useless. Many times a team struggles on offense, but the QB gets 1 big gain throughout the game, and then a bunch of completions underneath the prevent zone coverage in the 4th QTR, and than wah lah...all of a sudden has 200 yards of passing and an ok completion percentage, but produced umpteen 3-and-outs throughout the first 3 QTRS.

Stats in a vacuum is a very misleading thing. We have seen this time after time after time.

This post was edited on 9/24/10 at 4:06 pm

Posted by wmLSU

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 4:16 pm to stapuffmarshy

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y does anyone care how many yds he throws for if LSU wins?

Because its boring FB and shows that we are one dimensional at best. As long as we are ahead of superior teams we have a chance, if we fall behind by two scores we are finished.

Posted by just me

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 4:21 pm to therocketscientist

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Those are games we lost or were trailing, so many of those yards were picked up against prevent defenses.
That is why spouting stats one year removed from a game is so useless. Many times a team struggles on offense, but the QB gets 1 big gain throughout the game, and then a bunch of completions underneath the prevent zone coverage in the 4th QTR, and than wah lah...all of a sudden has 200 yards of passing and an ok completion percentage, but produced umpteen 3-and-outs throughout the first 3 QTRS.

Stats in a vacuum is a very misleading thing. We have seen this time after time after time.

You and RobbBobb are soooooo full of shite. Those are not games we lost or were trailing so Jefferson picked up passing yards against prevent defenses. Look at the games again.

Miss. State . . 233
Georgia . . . . . 212
Auburn . . . . . .242
Ole Miss . . . . 250
Penn State . . .202

How many minutes of prevent defense did Miss. State play against LSU? Zero and LSU won.

How many minutes of prevent defense did Georgia play against LSU? Zero and LSU won.

How many minutes of prevent defense did Auburn play against LSU? Zero and LSU won.

Moreover, why do passing yards against prevent defense not count for Jefferson but they do count for other QBs?

Posted by Chimlim

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 4:26 pm to just me

Has our offense really sunk this low? That we are basking in the days of when a QB would throw for 200 yards?

Posted by Lonnie4LSU

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 4:42 pm to Chimlim

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That we are basking in the days of when a QB would throw for 200 yards?

What's wrong with throwing for 200 yds?

Posted by Jaketigger

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Posted on 9/24/10 at 4:47 pm to just me

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Jefferson threw five 200+ yard passing games against BCS opponents in 2009.

Miss. State . . 233
Georgia . . . . . 212
Auburn . . . . . .242
Ole Miss . . . . 250
Penn State . . .202

Why do some people think that he won't throw a 200+ yard passing game this year?

he will for certain. Not sure against anyone that matters.

Here's the stats that you have to keep in mind. As a whole in 2009 we averaged LESS PPG in SEC play than in 2008 eventhough our D in 2008 was shittier and our opportunities were less.
Figure that out? Miles and CROWTON didn't want to "effect" his ego in 2009. They SAID during fall practice this year they would allow him to take more risks. He has not made that transformation yet b/c of those 2. He is affraid to make mistakes.