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re: Jefferson threw five 200+ yard passing games in 2009.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 11:38 am to hashtag
Posted on 9/25/10 at 11:38 am to hashtag
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Watch the game tonight. When you start to complain about JJ throwing a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 7, rewind and watch all of the other WRs that JJ never even looked at.
Actually you moron, JJ doesn’t call the plays and if you re-watch last week’s MSU game you can clearly see JJ audibling, checking off, and going through his progressions. Hence, it couldn’t be more obvious that you are an ignoramus!
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Posted on 9/25/10 at 11:39 am to Dead Fish
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JJ doesn’t call
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clearly see JJ audibling
Posted on 9/25/10 at 11:43 am to tduecen
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JJ doesn’t call
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clearly see JJ audibling
All teams give their QBs authority to audible under certain parameters and again those are set by the OCs with the head coach's approval.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 11:50 am to Dead Fish
Therefore you contradicted yourself as well, JJ did not call initial play, however every audible is him directing the new play. Whether he has a list of certain audible plays or coaches trust him enough to pick any play it would still be his decision. Therefore he would be calling the new play...
Posted on 9/25/10 at 11:50 am to just me
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Jefferson threw five 200+ yard passing games against BCS opponents in 2009.
On PS3?
Posted on 9/25/10 at 12:05 pm to Dead Fish
deadfish, i wish the kid well but he is 96th out of 116 NCAA bowl division QB's.
he has 3 5 star wr's.
he isn't getting the job done. the qb coach isn't getting his job done. obviously neither is gary crowton.
he has 3 5 star wr's.
he isn't getting the job done. the qb coach isn't getting his job done. obviously neither is gary crowton.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 12:30 pm to Dead Fish
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Actually you moron, JJ doesn’t call the plays
I never said he did
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if you re-watch last week’s MSU game you can clearly see JJ audibling
which would be him changing the play call, which contradicts what you said above.
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checking off
Yeah, I said that in my original posts.
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going through his progressions.
Jefferson might do this on 3 pass plays throughout the course of an entire game. And, this isn't his fault. Every quarterback under Gary Crowton has done this. Even Matt Flynn in 2007. This is coaching. But, it doesn't change the fact that Jefferson locks onto receivers, primarily the easiest option or Shephard.
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Hence, it couldn’t be more obvious that you are an ignoramus!
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Posted on 9/25/10 at 12:37 pm to Dead Fish
first of all, deadfish, for frick's sake, stop getting pwned in this thread, or some of the others. the name calling is just foolish, and is always the last resort by someone who just lost a ridiculous argument.
I'll say it again...when the LSU fanbase finally just admits that we don't have a QB on our roster to effectively deliver the football consistently to these talented WR's, the happier you'll be. Cheer for the running game, and hope LSU converts some 3rd and 3s. Speaking of....
You realize that the 3 yard dump off is, well, a dump off? there are other people (tolliver) running patterns that are actually designed to pick up the first, right? This is how you can tell the staff doesn't trust him (I don't either) to go through his progressions quickly enough. He's slow in reading coverages/defenses. first man covered? checkdown first, run second. Fits almost every play, ESP. on 3rd and medium plays.
Just watch tonight. but seriously, stop getting pwned. You just look silly and lost, much like Michael Jackson did with his children.
I'll say it again...when the LSU fanbase finally just admits that we don't have a QB on our roster to effectively deliver the football consistently to these talented WR's, the happier you'll be. Cheer for the running game, and hope LSU converts some 3rd and 3s. Speaking of....
You realize that the 3 yard dump off is, well, a dump off? there are other people (tolliver) running patterns that are actually designed to pick up the first, right? This is how you can tell the staff doesn't trust him (I don't either) to go through his progressions quickly enough. He's slow in reading coverages/defenses. first man covered? checkdown first, run second. Fits almost every play, ESP. on 3rd and medium plays.
Just watch tonight. but seriously, stop getting pwned. You just look silly and lost, much like Michael Jackson did with his children.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 1:19 pm to tduecen
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Therefore you contradicted yourself as well, JJ did not call initial play, however every audible is him directing the new play. Whether he has a list of certain audible plays or coaches trust him enough to pick any play it would still be his decision. Therefore he would be calling the new play...
I’m not contradicting myself at all. He is audibling contingent upon the parameters as set forth by the OC for the particular play called as I said earlier. Hell, he can’t arbitrarily change the play willy-nilly to a bomb down the field over and over again whenever he chooses, because that obviously is not in the parameters that were set forth because no OC coordinator is going to give their QBs that much freedom.
For instance, on the second touchdown drive on the second to last play when SR gained about 8 or 9 yards to the 2 yard line and then scored on the next play, JJ audibled out of the original running play called into another running play after reading the defense, and it worked because SR almost scored on that play. His parameters were contingent upon the defense he read.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 1:25 pm to Dead Fish
quote:Oh but you did
I’m not contradicting myself at all.
quote:So you know this 100%, what is your name coach? Sounds like you are voicing what you believe happens.
He is audibling contingent upon the parameters as set forth by the OC for the particular play called as I said earlier
quote:I would be willing many OC give their QB's freedom to audible into set plays based on the level of trust they have with their QB.
Hell, he can’t arbitrarily change the play willy-nilly to a bomb down the field over and over again whenever he chooses, because that obviously is not in the parameters that were set forth because no OC coordinator is going to give their QBs that much freedom.
quote:So you know without a shadow of a doubt it was a running play, it could not have been another pass play?
JJ audibled out of the original running play called into another running play after reading the defense, and it worked because SR almost scored on that play. His parameters were contingent upon the defense he read.
So you must know the playbook inside and out correct?
Look I know most coaches give the QB about 10-20 plays they are allowed to audible into, some have total faith in their QB and allow them into audible what they see fit. However when a QB audibles it is he who is deciding which play to call hence calling his own play. Therefore you did contradict yourself in the previous statement, you could have worded it better than you did so it would not have been a contradiction, however it is to late now.
You can now proceed with the insults and childish remarks coach. Typical rantard needing insults and name calling in an attempt to make your point. It is really sad especially if your birth year is correct in your profile, shows a lack of maturity.
This post was edited on 9/25/10 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/25/10 at 1:26 pm to SECond2none™
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whats normal for an option offense? not that we run it very well, but it seems our game plan is not to throw it for more than 250.
well, currently Navy has more passing yards/game than LSU does...
Posted on 9/25/10 at 1:27 pm to Rebel
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deadfish, i wish the kid well but he is 96th out of 116 NCAA bowl division QB's.
Uhm take your statistics and shove them up your arse, because that's what NFL teams do. They throw them out with the bath water because they are meaningless, since they are beyond a QBs control and contingent on too many variables. That's why they evaluate QBs based on talent and skill alone.
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he has 3 5 star wr's.
Thanks for being redundant!
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he isn't getting the job done. the qb coach isn't getting his job done. obviously neither is gary crowton.
That’s total bullshite; against MSU he did everything that was asked of him and if there wasn’t much asked of him, then that’s not his fault but instead it’s the fault of the person responsible for doing the asking. Yet, you can’t figure out why he is only ranks 96th. Amazing.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 1:29 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:You, RobbBobb, and BT, are acting like smitten teenage girls. You seem to think that the entire LSU fanbase is pitted in a Team Lee versus a Team Jefferson battle. Gentlemen, grow up.
The only humiliation in this thread was when he asked you to list 200 yard games for JJ this year, and then reduced it to 100 yard games, just to make it fair. And those numbers were against 3 teams that won't make a bowl.
I get it that you, RobbBobb, and BT want Lee to play. Honestly, I get that. I really do. I've read RobbBobb's posts about their being an agenda for Lee not to play.
But this is not a black and white issue for everyone.
I'm not on Team Jefferson or Team Lee.
I want LSU to be successful regardless of who the QB is. I want the coaches to play whichever QB will give LSU the best chance to win.
I don't get humiliated by Jefferson having a horrible game against Vandy.
I don't get humiliated by the staff only calling 16 pass plays against MSU.
Jefferson's failures and successes are not my failures and successes. Hell, even LSU's failures and successes are not my failures and successes.
If Lee does well, it's got nothing to do with me, and vice versa. If Jefferson does poorly it's got nothing to do with me, and vice versa.
Let me reiterate: I'm not on Team Jefferson, and I'm not on Team Lee.
Only a puerile mind would take delight in seeing their own team's QB having a lack of success:
quote:I rest my case.
The only humiliation in this thread was when he asked you to list 200 yard games for JJ this year, and then reduced it to 100 yard games, just to make it fair. And those numbers were against 3 teams that won't make a bowl.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 2:09 pm to just me
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I rest my case.
Then why in the vastness of our universe would you start a thread about our QB doing something in previous yrs that he has been unable to do so far this yr, against the weaker half of our schedule? Its because you have every intention in propping him up, and most ppl are baffled as to why??? But, I'm glad to know you've finally rested your case.
And believe me, it has brought me no pleasure, and I have taken no delight in the many posters that are busting your chops for your idiotic posts. It really has saddened me....
Because thats my job
Posted on 9/25/10 at 2:11 pm to RobbBobb
it's your job to be saddened???
Posted on 9/25/10 at 2:16 pm to hashtag
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it's your job to be saddened???
May be closer to depression, when I read his posts stating that the 96th ranked QB is the best we have.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 2:20 pm to RobbBobb
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May be closer to depression, when I read his posts stating that the 96th ranked QB is the best we have.
any idea where Lee was ranked back in 2008 as a redshirt Freshman in comparison to Jefferson as a Junior?
Posted on 9/25/10 at 2:23 pm to hashtag
quote:81st 116.52 QB Rating
any idea where Lee was ranked back in 2008 as a redshirt Freshman in comparison to Jefferson as a Junior?
JJ currently 89th 113.15 currently
Last Year JJ was 36th 137.18 Rating
NCAA Stats
This post was edited on 9/25/10 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/25/10 at 2:31 pm to just me
what have you done lately? the story of today's set. many suffer from long range cognitive impairment.
Posted on 9/25/10 at 2:38 pm to Rebel
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the qb coach isn't getting his job done. obviously neither is gary crowton.
Same guy.
Stats don't mean everything. Jefferson has been mostly adequate thus far in his career.
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