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re: Jefferson threw five 200+ yard passing games in 2009.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 5:21 pm to Chimlim
Posted on 9/24/10 at 5:21 pm to Chimlim
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Nothing. I'm saying the offense has sunk so low that's its pretty much unexpected for LSU to throw for over 200 yards.
It's mind-boggling is what it is. And There's no reasons save mental reasons. JJ has the skills, and his targets are as good as it gets.
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Posted on 9/24/10 at 5:21 pm to Live2CTigersWin
Everybody puts such an emphasis on passing yards. Do you realize that LSU is 21-8 under Miles when LSU throws for less than 200 yards and 33-7 when they throw for more than 200 yards? Not that big of a difference in the loss column
The important stat is the running game, thats why there is so much emphasis on running the football. LSU is 47-5 when they rush for over 100 yards and 7-10 when they rush for less then 100 under Miles. 67% of LSU's losses under Miles is when we rushed for under a 100 yards.
The important stat is the running game, thats why there is so much emphasis on running the football. LSU is 47-5 when they rush for over 100 yards and 7-10 when they rush for less then 100 under Miles. 67% of LSU's losses under Miles is when we rushed for under a 100 yards.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 5:21 pm to Chimlim
I can't believe anyone still tries to argue with JM about JJ.
He has convinced me that the QB that led us to becoming on of the bottom 10 offenses in division 1 last season (in spite of a terrific receiver corp) is a wonderful player.
He has convinced me that the QB's propensity for taking drive-killing sacks last season did not factor into our poor overall offensive performance. He has also convinced me that our QB's propensity for throwing to receivers that must gain YAC to convert a 3rd down, instead of looking to throw past the marker played very liitle role in our inability to sustain drives last season (and this season). His completion percentage is high, so I have mis-diagnosed the problems.
Most of all, he has convinced me that we know all we need to know about our 2nd string QB from what happened his freshman year and from the UF game (before which he had not played a meaningful down all season) and the Tech game (in which he was heartily booed as he took the field for his 1st possession).
He has convinced me that we should be pleased with our ridiculously poor offense and blame any problems on the O-coordinator...before reading the insightful posts of JM, I thought some of the pass plays that the QB throws to short receivers or turns into running plays might have been designed to go down the field to one of the wide open receivers that seldom see a pass come their way...I now know that my eyes must be deceiving me. I thought we should give our 2nd string guy a chance in some of our tuneup games to see if he has improved...what a moronic idea...his career completion percentage is lower than JJ's...
If you disagree with JM, you are a moron.
He has convinced me that the QB that led us to becoming on of the bottom 10 offenses in division 1 last season (in spite of a terrific receiver corp) is a wonderful player.
He has convinced me that the QB's propensity for taking drive-killing sacks last season did not factor into our poor overall offensive performance. He has also convinced me that our QB's propensity for throwing to receivers that must gain YAC to convert a 3rd down, instead of looking to throw past the marker played very liitle role in our inability to sustain drives last season (and this season). His completion percentage is high, so I have mis-diagnosed the problems.
Most of all, he has convinced me that we know all we need to know about our 2nd string QB from what happened his freshman year and from the UF game (before which he had not played a meaningful down all season) and the Tech game (in which he was heartily booed as he took the field for his 1st possession).
He has convinced me that we should be pleased with our ridiculously poor offense and blame any problems on the O-coordinator...before reading the insightful posts of JM, I thought some of the pass plays that the QB throws to short receivers or turns into running plays might have been designed to go down the field to one of the wide open receivers that seldom see a pass come their way...I now know that my eyes must be deceiving me. I thought we should give our 2nd string guy a chance in some of our tuneup games to see if he has improved...what a moronic idea...his career completion percentage is lower than JJ's...
If you disagree with JM, you are a moron.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 5:30 pm to Housplants
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He has convinced me that the QB that led us to becoming on of the bottom 10 offenses in division 1 last season (in spite of a terrific receiver corp) is a wonderful player.
He has convinced me that the QB's propensity for taking drive-killing sacks last season did not factor into our poor overall offensive performance. He has also convinced me that our QB's propensity for throwing to receivers that must gain YAC to convert a 3rd down, instead of looking to throw past the marker played very liitle role in our inability to sustain drives last season (and this season). His completion percentage is high, so I have mis-diagnosed the problems.
Most of all, he has convinced me that we know all we need to know about our 2nd string QB from what happened his freshman year and from the UF game (before which he had not played a meaningful down all season) and the Tech game (in which he was heartily booed as he took the field for his 1st possession).
I guess we'll see how good he is next year when get rid of Crowton.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 5:31 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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What's wrong with throwing for 200 yds?
The fact that it doesn't happen very often at LSU
Posted on 9/24/10 at 6:09 pm to Pilot Tiger
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i know people that visit the lSU practices and swear JJ is righ on target from 20 yards to 50 yards
I hear the exact opposite all the time
Actually, I hear that all the time too and also from the players and Miles.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 6:11 pm to Icansee4miles
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Ditto. And can't grasp very much playbook
And you said I was stupid!
Posted on 9/24/10 at 6:19 pm to Butterfingers
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Can you explain to me why Crowton would run an offense in 2007 (which won the MNC and was one of the best offenses in the NCAA) and then completely change it up for two freshmen qb's the next year.
Simple because it wasn't his. Miles made him use Fisher's offense because it wouldn't have been fair to Matt Flynn, a 5th year senior, to change the offense in his senior year and the year he was finally going to be the starter.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 6:23 pm to ItNeverRains
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The fact that it doesn't happen very often at LSU
That's true, but what does happen at LSU very often over the past 10 is that we in win. In fact, in the last 69 games that winning is bout at 80%
Being an LSU fan for a few decades, I have a real hard time getting all worked up over those results.
I don't care how they do it or by how much they do it as long as they do it, but each to our own.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 6:24 pm to therocketscientist
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Many times a team struggles on offense, but the QB gets 1 big gain throughout the game, and then a bunch of completions underneath the prevent zone coverage in the 4th QTR, and than wah lah...all of a sudden has 200 yards of passing and an ok completion percentage, but produced umpteen 3-and-outs throughout the first 3 QTRS.
Except you dumb frick, in the games LSU lost last season, LSU was leading going into the 4th quarter, which is why Miles is stressing finishing games this season.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 6:33 pm to Housplants
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and from the UF game (before which he had not played a meaningful down all season) and the Tech game (in which he was heartily booed as he took the field for his 1st possession).
Dude, you mean the Bama game, not the UF game. And I don't remember him being "heartily booed" as he took the field for his first possession in the La Tech game. I remember him being heartily booed after an intentional grounding pass later in the game. Also, they booed after the coaches ran RS from the QB spot for a 1st down gain, but then put Lee back in.
But I do agree that they should be passing more with Lee and JJ when they're in these games and we're in control. It doesn't make sense to me to keep running over and over when we've established that we can do that against these teams. Try doing things we need work on...
Posted on 9/24/10 at 6:44 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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That's true, but what does happen at LSU very often over the past 10 is that we in win
That's true also.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 7:33 pm to just me
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why do passing yards against prevent defense not count for Jefferson but they do count for other QBs?
ok, it was a general statement, but fair enough since I did not qualify it... then 5 yard passes to run up a completion percentage are my issue with the stats
Posted on 9/24/10 at 7:34 pm to Housplants
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I can't believe anyone still tries to argue with JM about JJ.
quote:You really missed on the analysis, but you reached the right conclusion.
If you disagree with JM, you are a moron.
You've taken a good first step, and that's important.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 7:58 pm to Icansee4miles
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Rewatching some highlights the other night from the UNC and MooState games (there were none from Vandy), and I swear, a pretty fair number of his passes are going through the air like Hartley's game winning field goal the other night. Definitely not a nice spiral, and coupled with his throwing motion, it is almost painful to watch, even when a completion results.
What highlights are you watching? First of all, we've had about three in the passing game all year. The bomb against Carolina that was a pretty good spiral, the pass to Shep. against NC that seemed to be a bullet and...hell, I can't even think of a 3rd. I guess he had that nice pass to Toliver after State scored for a nice pickup that seemed to be thrown pretty well (that's a stretch for a highlight). I thought all of his passes looked pretty good against State. I'm not sure what highlights you'd be talking about. Of all the JJ complaints, that hasn't really been one of them (though he does throw it too hard and lacks touch on shorter passes a fair amount of time).
Posted on 9/24/10 at 8:33 pm to TexasTiger89
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What about Bama?
Incomplete game. JJ had 114 yds in 2.5 qtrs. That translates to roughly 183 yds for a complete game. Not enough to qualify for that magical 200 yd game.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 8:41 pm to RobbBobb
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Incomplete game. JJ had 114 yds in 2.5 qtrs.
JJ went out on LSU's first offensive possession of the 2nd half in that one...
Posted on 9/24/10 at 8:44 pm to just me
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just me
GD you suck.
geeees, let it fricking go.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 8:48 pm to Antonio Moss
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Cause RobbBobb is an idiot
Cause ppl defending the QB of the 115th ranked passing team, FROM THE SEC, are fricking mensa members
AP ran a story about how the passing game has stepped up in the SEC. 7 of the 12 teams were mentioned. Guess who didnt get a mention?
LINK
And heres the money quote
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"Success in this league is directly associated with having a great quarterback," he said.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 8:50 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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JJ went out on LSU's first offensive possession of the 2nd half in that one...
according to LSUsports.net, JLee entered the game with 8:06 in the 3rd left.
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