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re: Haskins completed 56% against Penn State on Saturday.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 12:59 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 10/2/18 at 12:59 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Is OSU RB Mike Weber a racist? He tweeted this about Joe Burrow and never backed down when reporters pushed him on it:
You think this is what you're doing? Because it isn't.
When Weber starts saying burrow is already better than tom brady, has no evidence to support his claim, has no response to evidence that proves his claim is wrong, and does it at least once a week, then you'll be able to compare yourself to him.
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Posted on 10/2/18 at 4:34 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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I am starting to wonder the same thing goes out his way to constantly cry how Burrow is better, but when you point out metrics that show he isn't
Metrics? You mean YOUR amateur interpretation of game stats.
Football professional, Urban Meyer, meticulously observed and graded Haskins and Burrow in hundreds of practices & film studies. Meyer says they're equal. I'll accept that (even though IMO Burrow is a little better).
This post was edited on 10/2/18 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 10/2/18 at 6:04 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Metrics? You mean YOUR amateur interpretation of game stats.
Game stats are metrics you simpleton.
quote:
Football professional, Urban Meyer, meticulously observed and graded Haskins and Burrow in hundreds of practices & film studies
Yes he did.
And then he kept Haskins as the #2 qb last year even after burrow returned from injury.
And he trusted Haskins, not burrow, to lead the team to victory against Michigan.
quote:
Meyer says they're equal.
No, Meyer SAID they were equal 6 months ago.
Since that time Haskins has become a legitimate heisman candidate and it took burrow 5 games to complete 50% of his passes on the season.
There is nothing to support the notion that Meyer would still consider them equal.
quote:
I'll accept that (even though IMO Burrow is a little better).
Provide evidence that shows burrow is better.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 10:19 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Football professional, Urban Meyer, meticulously observed and graded Haskins and Burrow in hundreds of practices & film studies. Meyer says they're equal. I'll accept that (even though IMO Burrow is a little better).
"Joe Burrow is the Next Tom Brady and y'all don't even know it" - Mike Weber
"Joe Burrow is the Next Tom Brady and y'all don't even know it" - Mike Weber
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:17 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:
obscure statistical parameters
quote:i used facts. actual statistical fact. it's absolutely objective. you are dense
Your data is not objective
quote:you can't substantiate your point. that's all you had to say
How is anyone supposed to do that?
quote:2nd half of the slu game. start there genius
Go through and tell us exactly, by the minute and second on your he clock
quote:so you can't substantiate your assertion. that's all you had to say
That word doesn't mean what you think it means
quote:https://www.cfbstats.com/
link me to where else I can find a statistical breakdown of quarterbacks in the 2nd half when their team is leading big
BOOOMMMMMMMMMM
quote:so you're going to continue to fall on your sword over this? acting like i said something that's just outrageous. like burrow isn't doing well in qbr. like his percentage isn't creeping up. like he isn't doing well for ypc and ypa. all the things that substantiate my point. you want to keep looking like an idiot. knock yourself out sport.
Give us the recompiled stats for
quote:it's yet another statistic that substantiates my point
You're the moron that said those things were covered in strength of record
quote:for someone who apparently doesn't want to face up to easily observable things like max protect, yes.
So conservative playcalling somehow explains burrow completing 50% of his passes against an fcs school?
this is just a sample analysis i did for slu
CAREFUL. IT HAS FACTS IN IT
quote:go look at how many screen passes haskins is being asked to throw vs burrow. like i said, reading between the lines.
Lsu played a top 10 team on the road. The game was close the entire time. Burrow completed 15-34, 44% of his passes for 249 yards and 1 touchdown, 115.3 rating. According to you this is showing improvement.
Ohio st played a top 10 team on the road. The game was close the entire time. Haskins completed 22-39, 54% of his passes for 270 yards and 3 td, 134.8 rating. According to you multiple times in this thread, this was a poor showing for Haskins.
you are as obstinate and obtuse as 90proof and ibfreeman. that is an astounding accomplishment. flaming, idiotic posts
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:20 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:so you can't acknowledge the point about screen passes. like when herbstreit said in the psu game that haskins had thrown a whopping 29 screens in prior games. i get it. you're the kind of person who can't admit you are wrong. it's ok princess. your momma still loves you.
He's played 1 game against a top 10 team, and his numbers from that game are significantly better than burrow's for 4/5 games this season.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:22 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:they aren't excuses genius. they are facts. good grief you are dense
more qualifying excuses that are only applied to attempt to make burrow look good
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:24 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:you are either psychotic or you have asperger's. you are having an ib/90proof level meltdown over this
my wheels arent spinning anywhere
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:24 pm to Open Your Eyes
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My opinion is supported by facts and evidence
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:37 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Last year was burrow's 3rd year in meyer's system
burrow has been at lsu for a whopping 3 months. the offense has new faces. there is a new oc and burrow has played better competition. if you can't see that makes a huge difference, then you're hopeless.
given the above, explain how burrow is not that far behind haskins in qbr (87.9 vs 75.5). burrow is ahead of passing notables Jake Browning, Kellen Mond, Jake Fromm, Gardner Minshew, K.J. Costello, Cole McDonald, Jordan Ta'amu, et al.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 3:44 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Football professional, Urban Meyer, meticulously observed and graded Haskins and Burrow in hundreds of practices & film studies. Meyer says they're equal. I'll accept that (even though IMO Burrow is a little better).
"Joe Burrow is the Next Tom Brady and y'all don't even know it" - Mike Weber
"Joe Burrow is the Next Tom Brady and y'all don't even know it" - Mike Weber
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:52 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
oh i get it. youre not responding to me anymore, so youre just going to respond to yourself and say the same thing over and over. thats cool, i can copy and paste too. i dont need to worry about bolding.
Yes he did.
And then he kept Haskins as the #2 qb last year even after burrow returned from injury.
And he trusted Haskins, not burrow, to lead the team to victory against Michigan.
No, Meyer SAID they were equal 6 months ago.
Since that time Haskins has become a legitimate heisman candidate and it took burrow 5 games to complete 50% of his passes on the season.
There is nothing to support the notion that Meyer would still consider them equal.
Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
Haskins was on the field beating Michigan last year, not burrow.
Burrow left Ohio st because he didn't think he was going to start over Haskins.
Haskins has far better numbers than burrow does on the season.
Haskins has far better numbers against inferior teams than burrow does.
Haskins has far better numbers against a top 10 opponent than burrow does.
Now, give your evidence that burrow is better than Haskins.
felipe franks is better than joe burrow. - trevon grimes
quote:
Football professional, Urban Meyer, meticulously observed and graded Haskins and Burrow in hundreds of practices & film studies.
Yes he did.
And then he kept Haskins as the #2 qb last year even after burrow returned from injury.
And he trusted Haskins, not burrow, to lead the team to victory against Michigan.
quote:
Meyer says they're equal.
No, Meyer SAID they were equal 6 months ago.
Since that time Haskins has become a legitimate heisman candidate and it took burrow 5 games to complete 50% of his passes on the season.
There is nothing to support the notion that Meyer would still consider them equal.
quote:
I'll accept that (even though IMO Burrow is a little better).
Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
Haskins was on the field beating Michigan last year, not burrow.
Burrow left Ohio st because he didn't think he was going to start over Haskins.
Haskins has far better numbers than burrow does on the season.
Haskins has far better numbers against inferior teams than burrow does.
Haskins has far better numbers against a top 10 opponent than burrow does.
Now, give your evidence that burrow is better than Haskins.
quote:
"Joe Burrow is the Next Tom Brady and y'all don't even know it" - Mike Weber
felipe franks is better than joe burrow. - trevon grimes
Posted on 10/3/18 at 9:53 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
oh i get it. youre not responding to me anymore, so youre just going to respond to yourself and say the same thing over and over. thats cool, i can copy and paste too.
Yes he did.
And then he kept Haskins as the #2 qb last year even after burrow returned from injury.
And he trusted Haskins, not burrow, to lead the team to victory against Michigan.
No, Meyer SAID they were equal 6 months ago.
Since that time Haskins has become a legitimate heisman candidate and it took burrow 5 games to complete 50% of his passes on the season.
There is nothing to support the notion that Meyer would still consider them equal.
Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
Haskins was on the field beating Michigan last year, not burrow.
Burrow left Ohio st because he didn't think he was going to start over Haskins.
Haskins has far better numbers than burrow does on the season.
Haskins has far better numbers against inferior teams than burrow does.
Haskins has far better numbers against a top 10 opponent than burrow does.
Now, give your evidence that burrow is better than Haskins.
felipe franks is better than joe burrow. - trevon grimes
quote:
Football professional, Urban Meyer, meticulously observed and graded Haskins and Burrow in hundreds of practices & film studies.
Yes he did.
And then he kept Haskins as the #2 qb last year even after burrow returned from injury.
And he trusted Haskins, not burrow, to lead the team to victory against Michigan.
quote:
Meyer says they're equal.
No, Meyer SAID they were equal 6 months ago.
Since that time Haskins has become a legitimate heisman candidate and it took burrow 5 games to complete 50% of his passes on the season.
There is nothing to support the notion that Meyer would still consider them equal.
quote:
I'll accept that (even though IMO Burrow is a little better).
Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
Haskins was on the field beating Michigan last year, not burrow.
Burrow left Ohio st because he didn't think he was going to start over Haskins.
Haskins has far better numbers than burrow does on the season.
Haskins has far better numbers against inferior teams than burrow does.
Haskins has far better numbers against a top 10 opponent than burrow does.
Now, give your evidence that burrow is better than Haskins.
quote:
"Joe Burrow is the Next Tom Brady and y'all don't even know it" - Mike Weber
felipe franks is better than joe burrow. - trevon grimes
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:10 am to bfniii
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bfniii
im going to go through and respond to every single point in your posts as ive been doing the entire thread. but before i do that, im going to point out that:
- in all of these posts, you have failed AGAIN to go through and recompile the stats for other quarterbacks the way you do for burrow, thereby rendering your obscure statistical parameters completely irrelevant.
- in all of these posts, you have failed AGAIN to provide any kind of link or proof of this data that you claim is so readily available and is used by everyone.
- in all of these posts, you have failed AGAIN to define exactly when, to the minute and second on the game clock, ensminger starts and stops "pushing"
- in all of these posts, you have failed AGAIN to provide the parameters you use for knowing exactly when ensminger starts and stops "pushing"
- in all of these posts, you have failed AGAIN to address the vast majority of my posts in the correct context or even at all. just for one example, take your response to my post about last year being burrow's 3rd season in meyer's system. my post that you responding to was in response to another post talking about how this is haskins' 3rd year in meyers system. the rest of my post, that you conveniently left out, talked about haskins surpassing burrow at ohio st last year, haskins playing over burrow in the michigan game, and burrow leaving ohio st because he didnt think he could beat out haskins.
your entire response to my post about last year being burrow's 3rd year in meyer's system talked about how long burrow has been at lsu. much like your ridiculous statistical parameters that you continue to unsuccessfully try to get people to accept, your response is complete nonsense, completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, and yet another pathetic attempt to change the parameters into something that makes burrow look better than hes actually been.
quote:
seriously, thats the best you can manage to 3 words? imagine if you actually attempted to respond to the other 31 words in that post that succinctly show that not only are you not rational, but you dont even know what the word means.
"You think applying obscure statistical parameters to more favorably judge one player, while looking at all total numbers for all other players, is rational. That says everything that needs to be said about you."
quote:
i used facts. actual statistical fact. it's absolutely objective. you are dense
no. you used recompiled, manipulated data that is based on subjective parameters that you determined. that makes your data subjective, not objective.
quote:
you can't substantiate your point. that's all you had to say
you asked me for a link to your own subjective nonsense that doesnt actually exist. that would make you the one that cant substantiate your own point smart guy.
quote:
2nd half of the slu game. start there genius
i dont see any minutes or seconds in that post genius. you usually struggle this much with reading comprehension? are we using too many words that you don't understand?
quote:
so you can't substantiate your assertion. that's all you had to say
oh look, you can copy and paste just like the retard that started this thread. that actually makes perfect sense. look, i can do it too:
"That word doesn't mean what you think it means. Neither does rational."
quote:
LINK / BOOOMMMMMMMMMM
a quick glance at this site shows situational breakdowns of the 2nd half OR when a team has a big lead, not both at the same time. according to your very specific statistical parameters that you have to set to make burrow look better than hes actually been, that conjunction word needs to be WHEN. you have still failed to provide any sort of link to these widely accepted, mainstream stats you claim to be using. why is that?
quote:
so you're going to continue to fall on your sword over this?
falling on a sword? ive been asking from the very beginning for you to judge other players by the same subjective statistical parameters you use to judge burrow. you continue to refuse to do it. the way i see it there are 3 possible explanations:
1. you are too stupid to do it.
2. you are too lazy to do it.
3. you realize it won't look good for burrow if you do it.
which one is it?
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acting like i said something that's just outrageous.
no, correctly pointing out that youre applying subjective statistical parameters to try to make burrow look better than hes actually been, and not doing it for anyone else.
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like burrow isn't doing well in qbr.
i literally have made no mention of or reference to burrow's qbr.
quote:
like his percentage isn't creeping up.
his percentage started off at 44%. youre impressed that its "creeping up"? of course you are. look at all the other dumb shite youre saying.
quote:
like he isn't doing well for ypc and ypa.
i literally have made no mention of or reference to burrow's ypc or ypa.
quote:
all the things that substantiate my point.
your point is that you judge burrow only by parameters that you think make him look better than hes actually been, and judge all other players by their raw data. of course your subjective posts substantiate your irrelevant point. doesn't make you or your point any less stupid.
quote:
you want to keep looking like an idiot. knock yourself out sport.
this from the guy that thinks madeup qb stats for dropped balls and play callers "letting up" are part of a teams strength of record. thats fricking rich.
quote:
it's yet another statistic that substantiates my point
oh look, you failing to address the context of a post again. here, let me give you a play by play of this one moron:
me: at the very least you could be consistent and judge the other quarterbacks to that same ridiculous level.
you: there's nothing ridiculous about it. it's part of the reason why lsu for the 2nd week in a row is #1 in strength of record according to espn. there's your "comparison"
me:
at you thinking madeup quarterback stats based on dropped passes and playcallers letting up has anything to with strength of record. you: you're making this WAY more difficult than it really is.
me: You're the moron that said those things were covered in strength of record.
you: it's yet another statistic that substantiates my point
in addition to being stupid enough to think strength of record includes madeup quaterback statistics that account for dropped balls and playcallers "letting up", you doubled down on your stupidity not once, but twice.
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for someone who apparently doesn't want to face up to easily observable things like max protect, yes.
georgia tech runs a conservative offense and most of their pass plays are max protect. their quarterback completed 50% of his passes against the fcs team they played this year. so according to you, its fair to say that joe burrow is equivalent to georgia tech's quarterback. congratulations on making yourself look stupid, again.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:13 am to bfniii
quote:
this is just a sample analysis i did for slu CAREFUL. IT HAS FACTS IN IT
you are neither as important nor as intelligent as you think you are. ***i'll start off by pointing out this is only the first haf of the southeastern game, not the whole game. shocking, coming from you. especially considering burrow was just 1/3 in the second half.
even going with your subjective paramater data, burrow was 9/17 in the first half. on passes with only 2 wrs, he was 2/4. that means on passes with at least 3 wrs, he was only 7/13. 53% passing in non-max protect situations against an fcs team, when his playcaller was "pushing".
meanwhile, in haskins's "poor" game according to you, he completed 56% of his passes against a top 10 team on the road. he hasn't played an fcs school this year. but he did play rutgers, and against them he completed 87% of his passes. now i will admit i dont know how many of those were in max protect situations, because quite frankly i dont give a shite, and i dont need to make subjective parameter adjustments to haskins to show hes a damn good quarterback. his numbers speak for themselves.
i'll also point out that you were called out by another poster in that very thread for your bullshite ways of trying to make burrow look better than he actually has been, this time claiming lsu only sent out 2 wrs on pass plays "at least 50%" of the time in the first half, when in reality it was 4 times on 22 pass plays. so either you made up more bullshite or you think 4/22 = 50%. either way, SHOCKER. and you completed avoided addressing that poster's points calling you out when you responding to him. where have we heard this story before?***
CAREFUL. THE TEXT ABOVE IN BETWEEN THE *** HAS FACTS IN IT.
quote:
CAREFUL. IT HAS FACTS IN IT
yes, lets look at the facts from you in the link you provided. and by facts, i mean completely wrong bullshite.
"it was alot more than that in the first half alone. at least 50%. hard for 2 receivers to get open against 4 d backs."
"again, it was heavily weighted towards 2 receivers in the first half yet, the o still moved the ball effectively. very bland."
"again, in the first half, it's hard for 2 receivers to get open against 4 d backs. yet, burrow still had decent numbers out of very bland sets"
"it was 4 times in the first half alone. almost all of the other times, it was 3. that puts the receivers at a disadvantage almost every time. yet, burrow still had decent numbers and the o line gave him plenty of time. it's not a "narrative."
"i counted 20. 11 completions."
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go look at how many screen passes haskins is being asked to throw vs burrow.
provide the data. i cant wait for your next edition of 4/22 = 50%.
quote:
like i said, reading between the lines.
is that how i get to think 4/22 =50%, by reading between lines?
quote:
you are as obstinate and obtuse as 90proof and ibfreeman. that is an astounding accomplishment. flaming, idiotic posts
you think 4 is "at least 50%" of 22. theres nothing else that needs to be said to insult you, or prove that you have no business talking about anyone else's intelligence.
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so you can't acknowledge the point about screen passes.
1. provide the data on screen passes for haskins and burrow.
2. you crying about someone else not acknowledging a point?
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like when herbstreit said in the psu game that haskins had thrown a whopping 29 screens in prior games.
i have no idea if herbstreit said that or if his data is correct, and i damn sure dont believe a word youre saying.
having said that, pretend it is true. take away 29 passes from haskins completions and attempts. i'll even let you leave all of burrow's screen passes since i know you wont want to take those easy passes away from him because his numbers are bad enough with them.
***haskins this year NOT counting 29 alleged screen passes - 80/125, 64%
burrow on the year counting all passes - 70/131, 53%***
CAREFUL. THE TEXT ABOVE IN BETWEEN THE *** HAS FACTS IN IT.
quote:
i get it. you're the kind of person who can't admit you are wrong. it's ok princess. your momma still loves you.
you think 4 is at least 50% of 22.
you think burrow completing 53% of his passes in non-max protect situations in the first half against an fcs school when his playcaller is "pushing" is impressive.
you think burrow is better than haskins because he's completed less passes on more attempts and has a completion percentage 10 points lower than haskins when you remove the alleged 29 screen passes haskins has thrown on the year.
let me know when youve had enough.
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they aren't excuses genius. they are facts. good grief you are dense
you think judging burrow on subjective statistical parameters put in to place in an attempt to make him look better than hes actually been against all other quarterbacks without applying those same statistical parameters is rational. nothing else needs to be said about your stupidity.
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you are either psychotic or you have asperger's. you are having an ib/90proof level meltdown over this
you think 4/22 = 50%.
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youve proven throughout this and other threads you have no idea what a fact is.
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burrow has been at lsu for a whopping 3 months. the offense has new faces. there is a new oc and burrow has played better competition. if you can't see that makes a huge difference, then you're hopeless.
already addressed at the top of this post, but in case you forgot.
"in all of these posts, you have failed AGAIN to address the vast majority of my posts in the correct context or even at all. just for one example, take your response to my post about last year being burrow's 3rd season in meyer's system. my post that you responding to was in response to another post talking about how this is haskins' 3rd year in meyers system. the rest of my post, that you conveniently left out, talked about haskins surpassing burrow at ohio st last year, haskins playing over burrow in the michigan game, and burrow leaving ohio st because he didnt think he could beat out haskins.
your entire response to my post about last year being burrow's 3rd year in meyer's system talked about how long burrow has been at lsu. much like your ridiculous statistical parameters that you continue to unsuccessfully try to get people to accept, your response is complete nonsense, completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, and yet another pathetic attempt to change the parameters into something that makes burrow look better than hes actually been."
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given the above, explain how burrow is not that far behind haskins in qbr (87.9 vs 75.5).
not that far behind? haskins is closer to tua, closer to being #1 overall, and closer to having a 100% qbr than he is to burrow. i would start getting into actual statistical analysis to explain how close burrow isnt to haskins, but i have no doubt you are not intelligent enough to understand it. instead, i'll point out that the difference between haskins and burrow is 12.4 points and 14 spots. going 12.4 points below burrow gets you down to brady white from memphis at #57, a 37 spot difference. is brady white "not far that behind" burrow? i mean, he did complete 78% of his passes for 358 yards and 5 tds against an fcs team, so its probably closer than im thinking.
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burrow is ahead of passing notables Jake Browning, Kellen Mond, Jake Fromm, Gardner Minshew, K.J. Costello, Cole McDonald, Jordan Ta'amu, et al.
burrow is behind passing no-names kilton anderson, mitchell guadagni, tyree jackson, d'eriq king, marcus mcmaryion, steven montez, jon wassink, et al.
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