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re: Haskins completed 56% against Penn State on Saturday.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:32 pm to bfniii
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:32 pm to bfniii
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ok. you're not being rational. that's all you had to say.
You think applying obscure statistical parameters to more favorably judge one player, while looking at all total numbers for all other players, is rational. That says everything that needs to be said about you.
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no. they're facts
No, facts are objective. Your data is not objective. Therefore, it cannot be "facts"
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link?
You want me to link your subjective nonsense that doesn't actually exist? How is anyone supposed to do that?
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good grief. i get the impression you don't watch the games.
Then prove me wrong. Go through and tell us exactly, by the minute and second on your he clock, when ensminger starts and stops "pushing". And also tell us exactly what criteria you are using to determine when said "pushing" has started and stopped.
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here's where you're wrong. not only did i reference burrow's qbr, but i also showed how when lsu is actually mixing it up/throwing downfield, you know, those things that characterize an offense that's trying, burrow is about as good as anybody, especially given the competition
Here's where you wrong. You posted this drivel that only deals with burrow in response to a comment I made about you only applying parameters to burrow, and no other players. And you somehow think this isn't proving my point.
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false
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. Neither does rational.
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i used "commonly accepted stats." you just don't want to read between the lines, i.e. the 2nd half when lsu is leading big
If that's so commonly accepted, link me to where else I can find a statistical breakdown of quarterbacks in the 2nd half when their team is leading big.
Can't do it? That's ok. Just provide that data for every other quarterback then. Should be just a few mouse clicks away since it's so commonly accepted.
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what the frick? have you EVER watched football? analysts do this ALL THE TIME
Then show me. Give us the recompiled stats for Haskins, tua, Murray, Grier, etc. again, should be very easy if it happens ALL THE TIME
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haven't gotten offended one time. although i did call out your ridiculous response to a facile correlation
You're in here claiming people don't watch football because they are balking at your ridiculous burrow-only stats. If that's not offended then what is it?
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you're making this WAY more difficult than it really is.
You're the moron that said those things were covered in strength of record.
Also, this from the guy that insists on recompiling stats based on ridiculous parameters only for burrow in an attempt to make him look good. Irony.
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the point i was making is that there were 2 games against lesser competition when lsu had a big lead and CLEARLY changed the playcalling. i realize you don't want to accept this but, it affects the passing stats. PLOT TWIST
1. So once again, go through and do recompiled stats for every other quarterback against lesser competition if you want that data to be relevant.
2. So conservative playcalling somehow explains burrow completing 50% of his passes against an fcs school? Let me guess, more "facts" from you right?
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moreover, when lsu plays a stronger opponent and the game is closer, the stats seem to be better. and burrow's stats are improving in comparison with other qb's. WHO KNEW?
I won't even use the Miami game.
Lsu played a top 10 team on the road. The game was close the entire time. Burrow completed 15-34, 44% of his passes for 249 yards and 1 touchdown, 115.3 rating. According to you this is showing improvement.
Ohio st played a top 10 team on the road. The game was close the entire time. Haskins completed 22-39, 54% of his passes for 270 yards and 3 td, 134.8 rating. According to you multiple times in this thread, this was a poor showing for Haskins.
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can't believe how much effort you are putting into this. it's like trying to explain why the sky is blue to a kid
Again, the guy having to go through and recompile stats to try to make burrow look good is talking about other people putting in too much effort. Again, irony.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:40 pm to Open Your Eyes
^TLDNR
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:42 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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CBS named Haskins national player of the week after week 3.
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Old news. CBS named Burrow SEC of the Week yesterday.
These two things are not the same.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:47 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Old news. CBS named Burrow SEC of the Week yesterday.
And somehow if your retarded infantile mind, you think being SEC player of the week is more noteworthy than being national player of the week?
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:54 pm to bfniii
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do you have some vested interest in crapping on burrow to prop up haskins?
Am I starting threads about an Ohio st player on an Lsu message board to try to make said player look bad and his former backup look better? No? Didn't think so.
Am I using obscure statistical parameters for only 1 player and nobody else to try to make said player look better? No? Didn't think so.
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you seem to be going to a lot of trouble to ignore something that's pretty obvious
For the 3rd time, this from the guy that insists on using obscure statistical parameters for only burrowcand nobody else. Irony.
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haskins is throwing A TON of screens and hasn't played any competition.
He's played 1 game against a top 10 team, and his numbers from that game are significantly better than burrow's for 4/5 games this season.
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burrow is in a brand new system with new offense players with a new oc and has played infinitely tougher competition
Burrow completed 50% of his passes against an fcs school. Keep telling us about his infinitely tougher competition.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 1:21 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Ohio st played a top 10 team on the road. The game was close the entire time. Haskins completed 22-39, 54% of his passes for 270 yards and 3 td, 134.8 rating. According to you multiple times in this thread, this was a poor showing for Haskins.
It was because of the screens man- Haskins was 22 of 22. Other than that he was terrible. Joe would have completed all those passes under that heavy pass rush
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Posted on 10/1/18 at 6:39 pm to Eriq Killmonger
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CBS named Haskins national player of the week after week 3.
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Old news. CBS named Burrow SEC of the Week yesterday.
These two things are not the same.
.
Put a little football IQ behind it, and then yes, Burrow pulling his offense together in 3 months is a MUCH bigger deal than Haskins walking into a touchdown machine. A machine that Urban Meyer and Ryan Day have been perfecting for a year and a half.
Also, the Ohio State WR group Has three 5-year Seniors and four 3-year WRs. They have their group-patterns running like a Swiss watch. This is the most experienced group of WRs in the nation (and at least 3 will go in the next NFL draft)
Haskins is damn good - but NOT better than Burrow. Give it time. You'll figure it out.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 7:05 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Haskins is damn good - but NOT better than Burrow. Give it time. You'll figure it out.
Are you a racist?????
Posted on 10/1/18 at 7:40 pm to dukke v
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Are you a racist?????
No, sir, I am not.
Are you a Libtard? That kind of race-baiting is typically their last attempt at a defense.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 7:55 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
LSU didn’t play penn state -
Ignorant rant
Ignorant rant
Posted on 10/1/18 at 8:06 pm to Airpower
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LSU didn’t play penn state -
Right. And OSU didn't play Auburn. So?
The below comment seems to have hit a nerve, so here it is again:
Put a little football IQ behind it, and then yes, Burrow pulling his offense together in 3 months is a MUCH bigger deal than Haskins walking into a touchdown machine. A machine that Urban Meyer and Ryan Day have been perfecting for a year and a half.
Also, the Ohio State WR group Has three 5-year Seniors and four 3-year WRs. They have their group-patterns running like a Swiss watch. This is the most experienced group of WRs in the nation (and at least 3 will go in the next NFL draft)
Haskins is damn good - but NOT better than Burrow. Give it time. You'll figure it out.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 8:52 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Right. And OSU didn't play Auburn. So?
so after the auburn game i dont recall seeing a thread started by you saying "burrow completed 44% against auburn on saturday."
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The below comment seems to have hit a nerve, so here it is again:
it was stupid before and its still stupid now.
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Put a little football IQ behind it, and then yes, Burrow pulling his offense together in 3 months is a MUCH bigger deal than Haskins walking into a touchdown machine. A machine that Urban Meyer and Ryan Day have been perfecting for a year and a half.
well the people at cbs disagree.
let me guess, theyre part of the of the bs media narrative that somehow exists is=n your mind to slight joe burrow, right? except you just bragged about them naming burrow sec player of the week. so that must mean they just got a lot smarter in the last 2 weeks, right?
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Also, the Ohio State WR group Has three 5-year Seniors and four 3-year WRs. They have their group-patterns running like a Swiss watch. This is the most experienced group of WRs in the nation (and at least 3 will go in the next NFL draft)
more qualifying excuses that are only applied to attempt to make burrow look good.
id still love to hear your response to the ohio st poster that accused you of pushing a self-serving narrative that youve created in your head, and making all this bullshite up that you keep spouting on behalf of the burrows.
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Haskins is damn good - but NOT better than Burrow. Give it time. You'll figure it out.
Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
Haskins was on the field beating Michigan last year, not burrow.
Burrow left Ohio st because he didn't think he was going to start over Haskins.
Haskins has far better numbers than burrow does on the season.
Haskins has far better numbers against inferior teams than burrow does.
Haskins has far better numbers against a top 10 opponent than burrow does.
Now, give your evidence that burrow is better than Haskins.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 8:59 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
False in one, false in all.
Your above comment is either grossly uninformed, or purposely misleading. Burrow was always ahead of Haskins in 2017, until Burrow broke his hand. If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be posting about Burrow/Haskins.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 9:17 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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False in one, false in all.
the sad, sad musings of a scorned-lover grasping at straws to keep his argument going.
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Your above comment is either grossly uninformed, or purposely misleading. Burrow was always ahead of Haskins in 2017, until Burrow broke his hand. If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be posting about Burrow/Haskins.
While Burrow was scrambling to get back on the field, Dwayne Haskins grabbed the top backup job and held it throughout the season. That meant it was Haskins, and not Burrow, who got the call to step in and save the day in Ann Arbor when Barrett went down with a knee injury.
burrow broke his hand in august before the season even started last year. he came back in week 4 against unlv and was 3rd string behind haskins from that point. when barrett went down against michigan, haskins came in and led the team to victory. burrow never entered the game.
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Burrow was always ahead of Haskins in 2017
Burrow, a redshirt sophomore from The Plains, Ohio, has been locked in a close competition with redshirt freshman quarterback Dwayne Haskins to be J.T. Barrett’s backup.
burrow was never ahead of haskins in 2017, either in theory before the season or in actuality once the season got started.
"Your above comment is either grossly uninformed, or purposely misleading. You shouldn't be posting about Burrow/Haskins."
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:00 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
False in one, false in all.
Your above comment is either grossly uninformed, or purposely misleading. Burrow was always ahead of Haskins in 2017, until Burrow broke his hand. If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be posting about Burrow/Haskins.
You can spin your wheels up to the axles. Haskins got the 2nd team snaps because Burrow broke his hand (a week before the first game). And Burrow had problems gripping the ball the entire season. You really don't know squat about Buckeye football. Please quit pretending that you do.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:16 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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False in one, false in all.
Your above comment is either grossly uninformed, or purposely misleading. Burrow was always ahead of Haskins in 2017, until Burrow broke his hand. If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be posting about Burrow/Haskins.
as you have said repeatedly, "meyer never named a backup. the competition was too close to call."
you can keep copy/pasting and bolding all you want. youre still full of shite. all of this proves it:
While Burrow was scrambling to get back on the field, Dwayne Haskins grabbed the top backup job and held it throughout the season. That meant it was Haskins, and not Burrow, who got the call to step in and save the day in Ann Arbor when Barrett went down with a knee injury.
Burrow, a redshirt sophomore from The Plains, Ohio, has been locked in a close competition with redshirt freshman quarterback Dwayne Haskins to be J.T. Barrett’s backup.
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You can spin your wheels up to the axles.
my wheels arent spinning anywhere. theyre running your pathetic arse over, repeatedly. you have nothing factual to back up your statements. youve been called out by multiple ohio st posters in this thread as being completely full of shite. youre pathetic.
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Haskins got the 2nd team snaps because Burrow broke his hand (a week before the first game)
according to both the ohio st media and the national, there was no guarantee haskins wasn't getting 2nd team snaps regardless burrow getting hurt. they all say he and burrow were competing for the #2 spot at the time of injury. provide evidence that shows they are wrong.
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And Burrow had problems gripping the ball the entire season.
more excuses for burrow that don't apply to anyone else. did burrow enter games after haskins once he returned or not? did haskins play every snap against michigan or not? was burrow's hand bothering him when he went 4/4 against unlv? so many excuses, so little time.
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You really don't know squat about Buckeye football. Please quit pretending that you do.
ive provided multiple links backing my position. provide one that backs yours.
its funny. the ohio st posters in this thread seem to think youre the one that knows nothing about ohio st football.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:34 pm to Open Your Eyes
Your opinion is that Haskins is a much better QB than Burrow. My opinion is that Haskins is not.
Haskins is indeed a very good QB. But not a better QB than Burrow.
We'll all see fairly soon who's right.
Haskins is indeed a very good QB. But not a better QB than Burrow.
We'll all see fairly soon who's right.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:52 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Your opinion is that Haskins is a much better QB than Burrow. My opinion is that Haskins is not.
My opinion is supported by facts and evidence. Your opinion is not.
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Haskins is indeed a very good QB. But not a better QB than Burrow.
Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
Haskins was on the field beating Michigan last year, not burrow.
Burrow left Ohio st because he didn't think he was going to start over Haskins.
Haskins has far better numbers than burrow does on the season.
Haskins has far better numbers against inferior teams than burrow does.
Haskins has far better numbers against a top 10 opponent than burrow does.
Now, give your evidence that burrow is better than Haskins.
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We'll all see fairly soon who's right.
How are we not seeing it now?
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 11:27 pm to Open Your Eyes
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How are we not seeing it now?
Seriously? This is Haskins 3rd year in Meyer's system and 3rd year with his wide receivers. And Haskins second season with his OC's. - Burrow has had 2 months of full practice - and, with a new OC and a new playbook for the entire team.
And you're asking why not NOW? What Burrow has accomplished already this season is off the charts. But wait. You want more "stats". Stand by.
Sorry Dude. But, you just lost me. Have a nice life.
You have a lot of intellectual energy. Find something you can develop an expertise in. Trust me, It ain't gonna be football.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 10/2/18 at 12:44 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Seriously? This is Haskins 3rd year in Meyer's system and 3rd year with his wide receivers. And Haskins second season with his OC's. - Burrow has had 2 months of full practice - and, with a new OC and a new playbook for the entire team.
Last year was burrow's 3rd year in meyer's system.
Haskins passed burrow on the depth chart at Ohio st last year.
Haskins was on the field beating Michigan last year, not burrow.
Burrow left Ohio st because he didn't think he was going to start over Haskins.
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And you're asking why not NOW? What Burrow has accomplished already this season is off the charts.
There is nothing off the charts about taking 5 games to complete more than 50% of your passes.
The sooner you stop trying to hype burrow to be better than he actual has been and/or stop trying to belittle other players that have accomplished more than he has up to this point to make him look better, the better off you'll be.
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But wait. You want more "stats". Stand by.
Why do you keep insisting everyone waits to see what might happen and ignore what has already happened? If you actually believed all the stupid shite you are making up to try to make burrow look good that wouldn't be necessary.
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Sorry Dude. But, you just lost me. Have a nice life.
Is this your final cop out when you have no stupidity left to spew?
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Find something you can develop an expertise in. Trust me, It ain't gonna be football.
The fact that you have the balls to say this after all the straight up bullshut and nonsense you've posted in this thread is almost impressive. Some of your gems off the top of my head:
- haskins 56% against a top 10 team on the road isn't impressive. Burrow 44% against a top 10 team on the road and 50% against an fcs team at home is impressive.
- Meyer continuing an open competition isn't fair to burrow.
- burrow quitting because he knew he couldn't compete with Haskins is a positive for burrow.
- burrow is better than Haskins despite literally no evidence to support that.
- sec player of the week is a better award than national player of the week
- burrow was ahead of Haskins on the depth chart last year.
- the only reason Haskins played last year was because burrow got hurt.
What am I forgetting?
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