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Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:22 pm to ksayetiger
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How come tyrus thomas is never mentioned?
played 1 season and didn't up big time numbers.
If you are only going on 1 season you better do what Ben does. Thomas averaged 12 points, 9 boards and 3 blocks a game.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:23 pm to Scoob
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Scoob
You are the epitome of ignorant. Simmons can't shoot. Other than that his offensive game is elite. He's an elite passer, elite dribbler, elite at getting to the rim. Ask yourself this question: Why does every basketball person in the know think he's the best player in college basketball, but I think he isn't? The answer is because you're ignorant and you
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"just don't know basketball".
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:26 pm to barry
If they can't make it to the dance he doesn't belong on that list. I haven't seen him make the players around him better. At least yet!
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:27 pm to Tom Bronco
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To equate those three with Bob Petit? No, Petit = All Time Great, others = good college players
Honestly, let's look at compeition. Pettit was 6'9 205...at that time that was a dominant big man. Are you saying Brandon Bass and Big Baby couldn't have dominated back then? It's very hard to use players 50 years ago vs the game today. That's why I added the others because I'm not going to completely leave them out
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:31 pm to TulsaTiger
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I haven't seen him make the players around him better. At least yet!
Then you are blind. He leads the team in assists with 87 (20 more than the next contender). He fouls out entire back courts. He gets everyone open shots. He does just about everything except for making the shot for the guys he is feeding. He rebounds. He runs the point. He gets guys dunks and layups off DDP or on the pick and roll. How anyone's criticism of him could be he doesn't make everyone else around him better, I'll never understand.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:32 pm to therick711
I often wonder if half the posters on here actually watch our games. I'm not convinced they do.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:33 pm to LSUButt
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Honestly, let's look at compeition. Pettit was 6'9 205...at that time that was a dominant big man. Are you saying Brandon Bass and Big Baby couldn't have dominated back then?
True, but, even taking that in to consideration, Pettit was named one of the NBA's 50 greatest players. In terms of competition, that's pretty damn elite.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:33 pm to barry
Yes, and should be enough to put us over North carolina in the next all time college tourney.
All time hoops tourney
All time hoops tourney
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:34 pm to LSUButt
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Honestly, let's look at compeition. Pettit was 6'9 205...at that time that was a dominant big man. Are you saying Brandon Bass and Big Baby couldn't have dominated back then? It's very hard to use players 50 years ago vs the game today. That's why I added the others because I'm not going to completely leave them out
You have to take time into consideration. Of course guys like Big Baby would have dominated back in the 1960s, but guys like that didnt really exist back then.
Just like "Great" offensive linemen in football just 30-40 years ago were 250-260 pounds would get destroyed if they played in today's game against LBs as big as they are. The accomplishments stay in the eras.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:39 pm to thunderbird1100
Fun stat, Benson has 161 defensive rebounds. No one on the team currently has 100 TOTAL rebounds. His 59 offensive rebounds would be good for third best on the team in TOTAL rebounds.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:40 pm to thunderbird1100
I mean I know, this is just a hard topic overall. Because it's a generational thing. And I hate bringing this up because I get killed and accused of saying Pettit wasn't good. He was and is a legend. With that said, the competition level is not exactly the same
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:45 pm to LSUButt
macklin over simmons. not even that close.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:48 pm to oldschoolgreats
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macklin over simmons. not even that close.
Interesting. Macklin's numbers aren't better than Simmons' in any category I can find. So he's objectively inferior yet, you seem to think it isn't close. We using the Alabama eye test on this?
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:51 pm to Scoob
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Simmons is a 6'10/6'11 point guard with no offensive game, other than his height
And? That's like saying Michael Vick didn't have great QB skills. He was just really fast. I think Vick was pretty good in college.
Would Simmons be as effective if he was 6-2? No. Guess what, though. He is in fact 6-10. Last time I checked, they don't adjust PPG to relative to height.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:59 pm to LSUButt
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Scoob
You are the epitome of ignorant. Simmons can't shoot. Other than that his offensive game is elite. He's an elite passer, elite dribbler, elite at getting to the rim. Ask yourself this question: Why does every basketball person in the know think he's the best player in college basketball, but I think he isn't? The answer is because you're ignorant and you
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"just don't know basketball".
ok, sure. Ok, let's assume LSU didn't get Simmons. You had Quarterman, Gray, Hornsby and Patterson coming back, was going to add Victor and Blakeney, and hope to get some improvement from Epps and Elbert. This coming from a team that was in the NCAA's and seems to hover around the 19-20 win mark under Coach Jones. Where would you predict them to finish; maybe around 18 or so wins again, scrapping to get near the bubble? Probably an NIT berth? So you add in the best prospect in a decade, and his impact is... what? We were talking Sweet 16 at a minimum before the season. Instead, we need a strong run to make the tourney. Marquee wins? Kentucky, otherwise known as "that team Auburn beat".
If you're drafting on potential, sure, he's got a ton of tools. But he's not getting the results. He wasn't coming in billed as the best rebounder since Rodman, he was the next Lebron James, or at least Kevin Durant. I don't see where he will ever be as good as either of those guys.
As I said, the kid is basically a tall point guard without a jumper. He'll make a fine complement in the pros to a team with a good scorer, but I just don't see him being the cornerstone of a top franchise. If he can't will LSU to wins over Florida, Wake Forest, Charleston, NC State, Marquette etc, I don't see that happening in the NBA.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:00 pm to Scoob
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But he's not getting the results.
So being in the top 3 in the conference in every category except steals, where he is top 15 isn't getting the results? Have you ever thought that LSU probably wouldn't sniff 20 wins without him? My goodness.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:01 pm to barry
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Does Simmons solidify the #5 spot on all time LSU squad?
No, although you would think he qualifies based on the media hype, magazine covers, etc. He has the potential, but doesn't have the body of work yet.
For all of the youngsters on here, there are many reasons Rudy Macklin's #40 hangs from the rafters at the PMAC.
He was named an NCAA First Team All-American in 1980 and 1981. As a senior, he was named the Southeastern Conference Player of the Year and led LSU to the NCAA Final Four (LSU 31-5).
He graduated as LSU's all-time leading rebounder (1,276) and second-all-time leading scorer (2,080).
LSU won 90 games during Rudy's career, the most ever in a 4 year period.
Rudy obviously belongs on the mythical all-time LSU squad, and to leave him off is silly.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:02 pm to LSUButt
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Yes.
Just because he's a one and done does not disqualify him from being one of the best basketball players ever at the school.
So would you retire #25 and put it in the rafters after just one season?
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:02 pm to Scoob
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Simmons is a 6'10/6'11 point guard with no offensive game
He averages 20ppg & makes 56% of his shots
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