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re: A few facts about Tre Morgan play at home

Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:45 am to
Posted by JackD7
Member since Apr 2022
19 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:45 am to
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He also bobble the fricking ball

You mean the double clutch to create an angle to get the throw off? If the 3B does anything differently he doesn’t get Tre out. It was a great play by both him and the catcher.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:55 am to
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He was hugging the line when he CAUGHT the ball.


I don’t really care that you are crawfishing as long you know the facts now

Also don’t use words that mean something else to a baseball guy. You look dumb
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
3026 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:08 am to
baseball guy? self proclaimed? its ok to be wrong. And when you are, you refuse to acknowledge it. you also struggle with fact vs. opinion. but thanks for giving the entire board the FACTS about that play
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:09 am
Posted by TigerMac81
Bossier City, LA
Member since Dec 2007
3163 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:26 am to
Exactly. He was going to have a difficult play just going to first.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:04 am to
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He was going to have a difficult play just going to first.


Beloso is barely out of the batters box when 3B catches the ball

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42726 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:08 am to
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Him going home wasn’t the problem. The little league slide was the problem. And he weirdly hesitated right before he got home. One of those slides that you see all the time where they swipe the plate with their hand gets him home safely. We weirdly slide right into the catcher.

yep - that was the worst slide I have seen since the last time we got called out at home.

We do not seem to have any fundamentals in sliding. Is that why we seldom try to steal a base?

Both plays at home would have been safe easily with a heads-first slide going for the outside corner of the plate.

On this one when his knee hit the ground before his hands got to the plate it was over. knee outstretched in the air his hands would already be on home plate.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43871 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:08 am to
quote:

Exactly. He was going to have a difficult play just going to first.


Nah. He would have easily thrown Beloso out. Beloso is incredibly slow.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35414 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:10 am to
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If he didn’t go, that’s a double play with Beloso running.



Super unlikely, but I'm not mad about it
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:11 am to
Hugging the line = defensive positioning term

For next time
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
3946 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:13 am to
Out of everything from the game, that play pissed me off the least.


What else was he suppose to do in that situation?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:16 am to
Can’t assume defensive execution, sure. But neither runner’s speed is preventing that from being a double play.,
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43871 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:19 am to
quote:

Hugging the line = defensive positioning term


A step inside the infield grass = playing in

For next time
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
22359 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:24 am to
I don't think any "baseball guys" are faulting Morgan for going on contact

I wish for Morgan's sake that the throw was better without a play at the plate

But the fact remains that the 3rd baseman had a difficult time getting the ball to the C and Morgan's inept slide resulted in him being tagged out

Any conventional slide is safe on that play
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27881 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:28 am to
Based on their positioning I don’t think you can assume a double play. The 3B would have either attempted a tag on Morgan returning to the bag, or checked him and gone to first. They were definitely playing for two in the middle, but I don’t think they were on the corners.
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
3026 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:47 am to
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Hugging the line = defensive positioning term


I was not referencing a positioning term. I was referencing his "geographical location" to the line as he caught it. so now you are arguing semantics. Ultimately you know what I meant but insist on your path.

He was straddling the line as he entered his throwing motion
He was approaching the
He was along side the
He was near the
He was close to
He was bordering the

There ya go. I chose other words for you. you can stop deflecting and choose your next argument with someone else
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:49 am to
Yea it depends on where Morgan is on the baseline. If he wasn’t going on contact, likely less aggressive and closer to the bag
Posted by LSUTIGERTAILG8ER
Chance of Rain....NEVER!!
Member since Nov 2007
1746 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:49 am to
My thoughts:

the play is to go on contact.
To me, Tre looked to be jogging expecting to be out by a mile and get hung up in a run down to allow Merrifield to get to third and Beloso to second.

Not ideal, but you still have 2nd and 3rd with only 1 out and that is the decision you make when you either decide to go on contact, or read the down angle of the hit, or the 3B coach tells you go on contact anywhere except to 3B or P.

I think the crap slide was a result of not knowing the 3B was double pumping, Tre being surprised that he was not out by more, and at the last minute he sees the catcher expecting the ball and thats the best he came up with.

Sucks, but this was no doubt the gamechanger.

Adding salt to the wound, Wes Johnson calling get me over curveballs that were getting blasted rather than sticking with fastballs that hitters were late on and fouling off. Take that to Georgia.

Ok. thats it. Lets beat TN today
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35414 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Can’t assume defensive execution, sure. But neither runner’s speed is preventing that from being a double play.,



His momentum is going towards the dugout. He has to stop that, make an accurate throw to 2nd which would be 110-115 feet away, and then a quick turn and accurate throw to 1st. A double play on that ball is nearly impossible
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:58 am to
This all makes sense. I never understand why LSU fans never wanna give credit to the opponent. WF is a great team and they made a phenomenal defensive play. That does not mean LSU sucks.

IF Tre goes back to 3rd, best case scenario it’s a bang bang play. He probably gets tagged out there too. I’ll pick the close play at the plate for the go ahead run 10/10 times in that situation. It was a good call, WF just executed better. It sucks, but it happens.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:01 pm
Posted by Ellis_Hugh
Member since Feb 2023
360 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:03 pm to
2nd and 3rd with one out would not have been a bad situation. Probably would have drawn a walk next to set up the dp though.
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