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re: Signing too many 3 star recruits?....
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:32 pm to lsutiger74
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:32 pm to lsutiger74
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Signing too many 3 star recruits?.... by lsutiger74
Recruiting appears weak at this time.
Look at the prospects offer list. That tells you a whole lot about our 3-star commitments. I'll trust Coach O and Robinson over any recruiting site.
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:36 pm to NamariTiger
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The best defensive player in LSU history was a 3 star dumb arse.
Are you talking about the composite 4 star TM7?
Did you mean he was a 3 star this early in recruiting?
Not trying to be a smart arse.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:36 pm to lsutiger74
yeah, probably need to sell your season tickets.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:40 pm to toughcrittercrumb
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Look at the prospects offer list. That tells you a whole lot about our 3-star commitments. I'll trust Coach O and Robinson over any recruiting site.
Recruiting sites hit on more players than any coaches. Approximately 1500 recruits sign every year and of those teams recruiting sites pick 30-35 players to be a 5star recruit. They hit on 49% of those 5 star recruits.
Thats extremely impressive. Picking 30 players out of 1500 and being right almost 50% of the time is outstanding.
I trust O's recruiting though. That's the one aspect of cfb that O is above reproach.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 12:53 pm to lsutiger74
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Signing too many 3 star recruits
When high profile targets commit elsewhere late in the process and the staff scrambles to offer 3 star prospects late to fill spaces, you can say this. When they are offered this early, I wouldn't worry
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:03 pm to lsutiger74
But but but bama recruits and lands 5*'s
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:11 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Tyrann was a 3 star at this point in the year. He got his 4th star late in the process. He had a great camp during this summer and they finally got around to bumping him up.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:12 pm to Bow08tie
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Recruiting appears weak at this time.
Yes and our current recruits will be reevaluated, but remember we are getting Louisiana players. Problem with all the "Elite" ranked players is a lot of them feel entitled and are going to have big ego's to manage. I know there are plenty of "Elite" recruits that will work hard and do well as team players, but some only want to get good stats for the NFL.
The coaches we have now are not going to put up with that entitlement crap anymore. Everyone will work very hard and that work will turn into victories.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
That's selective reasoning. Go check all the 4 stars and see what the hit rate is and then the 3 and lower stars and see how many they miss. There is no real science to it. All scouts miss in every sport. Most of the time more than they hit.
As for our 3 stars this year, it's early. At least half will bump up before the year is over.
As for our 3 stars this year, it's early. At least half will bump up before the year is over.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:41 pm to lsutiger74
Anyone on this board will tell you that the reason for Alabama's success over the past 5+ years has been their insane recruiting classes, which are mostly composed of 4 and 5 star guys. They undoubtedly get the best RBs, LBs, WRs, and linemen year in and year out, and everyone on this board will tell you this is why they have been so dominant.
And yet, those same people will tell you not to "star gaze" and to "trust in the coaches" when it comes to LSU and 3 star recruits - and you simply can't have it both ways. You can't say that stars matter, and it's why Alabama has been so ridiculously successful, and then turn around and say that stars don't matter, and to trust the LSU coaches.
Sure, the rankings will be revised and updated. Some of these 3 star guys will be bumped up - but a lot of them won't. And yes, some 3 star guys have ended up being major contributors, while some 5 star guys end up riding the bench for four years.
I tend to weigh the offer list of a recruit a bit more heavily than the star rating - and if we're being honest, the Power 5 offers for some of our most recent recruits isn't that impressive (and is non-existent for a few). That can change as we move into the summer and into the fall, but most of the elite recruits at this point have offers from all the big players.
I think a lot of the anxiety regarding the influx of 3 star recruits for this class has to do with the fact that this is Orgeron's first class as the permanent head coach. When you look at his history as a coach, and look at the ratings for some of our most recent recruits, it can obviously seem worrisome for some.
Given that we're taking close to 30 players for this class, I feel that the coaches are being a bit less selective as to who they will take, knowing that they have the capacity with this year's class to take chances on a few more players.
And yet, those same people will tell you not to "star gaze" and to "trust in the coaches" when it comes to LSU and 3 star recruits - and you simply can't have it both ways. You can't say that stars matter, and it's why Alabama has been so ridiculously successful, and then turn around and say that stars don't matter, and to trust the LSU coaches.
Sure, the rankings will be revised and updated. Some of these 3 star guys will be bumped up - but a lot of them won't. And yes, some 3 star guys have ended up being major contributors, while some 5 star guys end up riding the bench for four years.
I tend to weigh the offer list of a recruit a bit more heavily than the star rating - and if we're being honest, the Power 5 offers for some of our most recent recruits isn't that impressive (and is non-existent for a few). That can change as we move into the summer and into the fall, but most of the elite recruits at this point have offers from all the big players.
I think a lot of the anxiety regarding the influx of 3 star recruits for this class has to do with the fact that this is Orgeron's first class as the permanent head coach. When you look at his history as a coach, and look at the ratings for some of our most recent recruits, it can obviously seem worrisome for some.
Given that we're taking close to 30 players for this class, I feel that the coaches are being a bit less selective as to who they will take, knowing that they have the capacity with this year's class to take chances on a few more players.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:48 pm to lsutiger74
1. You don't know jack shite about recruiting.
2. You don't know jack shite about evaluation.
3. You don't know jack shite about coaching.
4. You don't know jack shite.
2. You don't know jack shite about evaluation.
3. You don't know jack shite about coaching.
4. You don't know jack shite.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:57 pm to ronk
There are states that are more poorly evaluated than others.
But, the recruiting sites have done an excellent job of having these events like The Opening and other events that encourages unknown talent from unknown areas to show up and show out.
The days of some obscure talent being undervalued are over for the most part.
The sites are very good at their jobs these days.
It will be a difficult year recruiting and will take some men earning every bit of their pay to reel in out of states 5 and 4 stars.
But, the recruiting sites have done an excellent job of having these events like The Opening and other events that encourages unknown talent from unknown areas to show up and show out.
The days of some obscure talent being undervalued are over for the most part.
The sites are very good at their jobs these days.
It will be a difficult year recruiting and will take some men earning every bit of their pay to reel in out of states 5 and 4 stars.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:04 pm to reo45
True story LSU fans know more about recruiting than our coaches.lmao. Stick to your day job and let the coaches do what they are paid to do.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:07 pm to ORTIGER
I'm not disagreeing with you.
I think the kid from Jena is a huge get. If he played for a more polished program like West Monroe, Neville, or Ouachita a tad up north from Jena he could be even more of a commodity.
I am just saying that his ranking and others are spot on. He is a 3 star because of his location and school. He played for a more developed program he would be higher.
That is excellent recruiting and earning the coin.
I think the kid from Jena is a huge get. If he played for a more polished program like West Monroe, Neville, or Ouachita a tad up north from Jena he could be even more of a commodity.
I am just saying that his ranking and others are spot on. He is a 3 star because of his location and school. He played for a more developed program he would be higher.
That is excellent recruiting and earning the coin.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:12 pm to lsutiger74
Not worried at all. Too early. plus the Honey Badger was a 3 star recruit with offers from only Florida International, SMU, Louisiana Monroe, Southern Miss, and Tulane. Watch the film on ArDarius Washington S Shreveport, LA Evangel 5-10 175; he is a 3 star because he is small and playing out of position. kid reminds me a lot of Tyrann Mathieu.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Are you talking about the composite 4 star TM7?
Thats exactly who I'm talking about and thank you for proving my point :)
TM7 didn't get that 4th star until LSU offered and he blew up at his last camp. He was a 3 star throughout the whole recruiting process. Like I said these guys will gain stars , it's early and 5 stars don't really mean shite at the end of the day.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:15 pm to NamariTiger
I see Kenan Jones has become a composite 4-star. So the sites see what he could become in a more premier system once in college.
The sites are pretty spot on.
The sites are pretty spot on.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:29 pm to Cs
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tend to weight the offer list of a recruit a bit more heavily than the star rating - and if we're being honest, the Power 5 offers for some of our most recent recruits isn't that impressive (and is non-existent for a few).
You're looking way too early, imo. Look at the offer lists at the end of the summer. If you had looked at K'Lavon Chaisson's offer list last spring you would have thought he'd be lucky to get any P5 offers. Hell, LSU offered him before Houston did.
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:45 pm to whitefoot
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If you had looked at K'Lavon Chaisson's offer list last spring you would have thought he'd be lucky to get any P5 offers.
At this time last year, Chaisson had offers from LSU, Houston, Baylor, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Arizona State, Florida, Ole Miss, TCU, Stanford, Texas, Michigan State, Oklahoma, and Florida State.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:04 pm to lsutiger74
I could only downvote once.
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