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Roux Foams Up When Trinity is Added
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:50 pm
This has happened to me a few times and it happened yesterday when I added onions to the hot roux. I had to keep stirring to keep the foam from foaming over and out of the pot. I googled, but haven't found anything on why this happens. Anyone know?
After the onions cooked, I added the celery and bell pepper with no foaming.
After the onions cooked, I added the celery and bell pepper with no foaming.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:55 pm to Gris Gris
Reduce the heat when it starts to foam up or before you add the onions
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:00 pm to lsuguru
It was off the heat completely at the time, but it had not cooled. I took it straight from the oven and then added the onions a little at a time, stirring between additions. I could only add a few cups because it started foaming. Once that calmed, I was able to add the rest. I assumed the roux was too hot, but I've just not had this happen but a few times and I do it the same way every time. Same flour. Same oil.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:09 pm to Gris Gris
Never had this happen. I've had it steam up but not foam up.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:11 pm to Gris Gris
I add all my trinity at once, and it bubbles somewhat (I wouldn't call it a foam) and I just assumed it was the water evaporating off of the veggies. No much different than dropping potatoes in hot oil for fries. It normally subsides quickly in both instances.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:33 pm to Gris Gris
Were the onions overly wet? Water is the only thing that would cause foam.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 7:47 pm to Gris Gris
Mine always does this and I assumed like posted above it was water evaporating from the veg. Not really a foam but just bubbles
What's the issue?
What's the issue?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 7:57 pm to Gris Gris
I always use fresh trinity instead of frozen to avoid this. Kind of a pain because I like to chop up a bunch of trinity and keep it in the freezer for convenience.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:01 am to Parallax
I use fresh vegetables only.
Yes, it's more of a bubbling than foam, I guess, but if I don't stir a lot, it will bubble over. The bubbling rose up quickly when this happened. The first time, it bubbled over because it started after I'd mixed in all the veggies and the roux temp had gone down, so I turned around to do something else while it simmered a little. Next thing I knew roux was overflowing from the pot.
Yes, it's more of a bubbling than foam, I guess, but if I don't stir a lot, it will bubble over. The bubbling rose up quickly when this happened. The first time, it bubbled over because it started after I'd mixed in all the veggies and the roux temp had gone down, so I turned around to do something else while it simmered a little. Next thing I knew roux was overflowing from the pot.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 11:42 am to Gris Gris
In cooking, foam is almost always caused by protein. Trinity doesn't have much protein, so I'm not sure what's up wit dat.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 11:57 am to Stadium Rat
I think foam was the wrong word for the description. It was more a bubbling over effect.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 12:27 pm to Gris Gris
I would think you can avoid or minimize this by adding more at once to cool off the roux rapidly. You are making steam from the moisture in the onions and not adding enough to cool off the roux quickly enough. You need to add enough at one time to cool down the roux/vegetable mixture to below the temp where steam is being generated so rapidly. And stir immediately to get it mixed in quickly and cooled down.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 12:40 pm to Gris Gris
I've had it bubble up.
What size pot were you using?
What size pot were you using?
Posted on 11/14/16 at 1:35 pm to ChEgrad
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I would think you can avoid or minimize this by adding more at once to cool off the roux rapidly. You are making steam from the moisture in the onions and not adding enough to cool off the roux quickly enough. You need to add enough at one time to cool down the roux/vegetable mixture to below the temp where steam is being generated so rapidly. And stir immediately to get it mixed in quickly and cooled down.
I had about a 5 cup:6 1/2 cup oil to flour roux in a big deep cast iron skillet. It was about half full of roux. I added a gallon ziploc bag of onions which was about 3/4 full. I started with probably about 2 full cups of onions and it started bubbling pretty immediately. Stirred as soon as they were added to distribute them. Added the rest as soon as I got the bubbling to calm down. Maybe I should have added the entire bag. Normally, I add all the trinity at once. This time, I was trying to caramelize the onions first. Sounds like I didn't put enough in at once.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 2:32 pm to Gris Gris
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I had about a 5 cup:6 1/2 cup oil to flour roux in a big deep cast iron skillet.
Dat's a lotta roux!!!
Posted on 11/14/16 at 4:11 pm to LSUGUMBO
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Dat's a lotta roux!!!
I was making a lot of gumbo!
Actually, I forgot that I took out about 2 cups of the roux after it was done but before adding the veggies to use for something else.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 4:42 pm to Gris Gris
Saute your vegetables before you add your roux.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 4:42 pm to Gris Gris
At this point I'm guessing it was due to the starch in the flour. Your description makes it sound like it boiled over in a similar way to how pasta water or potato water can easily "bubble" over.
Hot roux (probably still close to boiling temperature of water) + not enough onions to drop the temp + moisture coming out of onions + flour starch = bubble over
???
Hot roux (probably still close to boiling temperature of water) + not enough onions to drop the temp + moisture coming out of onions + flour starch = bubble over
???
This post was edited on 11/14/16 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 11/14/16 at 4:49 pm to Langland
My first thought was the starch in the flour, also. However, since I use the same flour every time and it's only happened twice, I guess I ruled that out. I'm thinking I should have added more onions at once, but when it started bubbling, I stopped to stir to keep the bubble from running over the edge. The pot was only half full and it was rising fast. The last time it happened, the bubbles rose a lot and went all over the stovetop. What a mess.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 5:00 pm to Gris Gris
You're not supposed to put Dawn dish soap in your roux
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