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okay I changed my mind

HSA 7,000

you pay the first 7k/year and med expenses(approved services) over 7K covered by Gov




Simpleton, just stick to your guns. No government, manage the negotiations of your own healthcare the same way you do your auto insurance.






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Iona Fan Man
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your auto insurance.


self coverage

but cars have barriers to entry...HC not so much



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No government, manage the negotiations of your own healthcare


why? I don't trust medicine at all.

private insurance enables people to pack offices

I want people to have to pay out of their own pockets each time(up until 7k or some arbitrary number)

IMview...people having to pay the costs themselves will drop demand and prices






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thetempleowl
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medical professionals should have their accounts frozen and liquidated....just like they do with they illegal drug dealers.


This is absolutely cray cray. Kash, you have been hitting the sauce a little harder than normal today?

You say this because of this...

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More than three-quarters of British doctors prescribe a treatment they know probably won't work at least once a week, like low-dose drugs, vitamins, nutritional supplements or an unnecessary exam, according to a new survey.


Wow. I understand about 90% of your posts are just meant to inflame and start discussion. So fine, lets discuss...

How many crazy people are out there Kash? You think it out of the realm of possibility that out of all the patients that a doctor sees, he might see at least one or two crazy people a week.

Now out of all the patients that a doctor sees, do you think they see one or two at least who think they know more than the doctor and want something done?

You add those two things together and you get doctors who often times do things for patients that they know won't help and if they are good doctors won't hurt the patient at least once a week?

Like telling them to take some vitamins which really don't cost anything but the patient doesn't know. The patient is happy. The doctor gets the crazy patient off his back so he is happy. As a side note the doctor gets good feedback so his reimbursement is not negatively effected.

Or crazy patient comes in demanding a study for some pain they have. Well, doctor knows it isn't anything but the risk of a lawsuit and keeping the patient happy makes them just order the study to get the patient out of his hair.

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This use of placebo treatments directly contradicts advice from the British Medical Association, which deems them unethical.


You understand the different between real world and ivory tower don't you?

The patient feels better. The patient is happy. The doctor is happy. Overall sometimes you have to treat the mental aspects of a patient. So you do.

The only problem is when you have weak willed doctors or bad doctors who listen too much to a patient...

LINK

Interesting that happy patients have a higher morbidity.

Some feel that this is doing what the patient wants rather than what needs to be done. The patient is happy even though it isn't the best thing.

So when going onto those sites that track patient satisfaction with doctors, realize they don't tell the story.

Also realize that doctors who brag about how much their patients love them may not be telling the whole story or be even close to the best physicians out there.

Kash, you attempt at starting a debate here is weak. And I think this discussion is pretty much over about doctors.

If you wish to talk about a system that will reward doctors on patient satisfaction, well that is a different story.

If you wish to talk about crazy patients, well have at it.

But calling doctors the same thing as illegal drug dealers for giving someone crazy a cheap vitamin that doesn't hurt anyone and makes everyone happy is lame and not understand the issue.

ETA, sorry fixed link



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yeah, like the financial crooks...."we need them" so no jail time for their criminal practices


Yeah let's take everything they have, then force them to work. After that we will never let them retire and a ton of college age peeps will flock to be doctors! Farkin brilliant!






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Show me one ounce of evidence that showed our founding fathers thought healthcare should be the government's responsibility. Quality healthcare is a priveledge, not a right. Govt. Should not be any more involved in my healthcare than they are fixing my car or mowing my lawn.
Regardless of what you and our socialist leaders think, making sure my family and I are guaranteed quality healthcare is my responsibility, and like everything else they put their grubby paws in, they are ruining it for those of us who actually care enough to care for ourselves. Because they think they need to take care of those who can't/won't, the quality of care that I work hard to assure I have will suffer.






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nteresting that happy patients have a higher morbidity.

Some feel that this is doing what the patient wants rather than what needs to be done. The patient is happy even though it isn't the best thing.

So when going onto those sites that track patient satisfaction with doctors, realize they don't tell the story.

Also realize that doctors who brag about how much their patients love them may not be telling the whole story or be even close to the best physicians out there.

The only edge here may be the doctor's are employed by the NHS. It could be they are doing the bidding of NHS bureaucrats. Certainly goes on there.






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Oh yeah we shouldn't reward doctors for learning about the newiest drugs available.





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The clown circus at work solving our healthcare issues. Surely doctor shortages will dissipate when MDs have their assets frozen by a jealous citizenry that has already seen fit to cap their salaries.









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I have no problem with letting people die.


How has no one called him out on this yet? Try for some compassion next time you shoot your mouth off behind your electronic cloak of anonymity.

Would you say that in front of sick, poverty-stricken people, to their faces, with the world watching and your reputation exposed?

If so, you're heartless. If not, you're a coward.

Either way, please pray for some compassion.






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Would you say that in front of sick, poverty-stricken people, to their faces, with the world watching and your reputation exposed?


You mean if I don't say it people won't die? You mean that if the government spends two dollars where it now spends $1.90, people won't die?

You want people to care about human suffering, stop forcing them to care with their wallet.

No, I do not care about the suffering and death of some random homeless, poverty stricken person. I care about my wife, my kids, my friends, and my immediate family. People can make differences in those circles to keep their own from becoming these pity stories that people like you latch onto.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest to say I don't give a frick about the suffering of humanity. Uncle Sam is doing all the caring for me with its rape of my paycheck on a regular basis.






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It doesn't bother me in the slightest to say I don't give a frick about the suffering of humanity
Except the irony is, you do care.

OTOH, Uncle Sam doesn't give a rat's arse unless there are votes involved.






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CollegeFBRules
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Of course I do, but the whole system is flipped upside down.

Does it bother me to see children suffering? Very much. I wish I could scoop every child in the world up and give them the best life imaginable, but this thread was never about that and I just felt like telling tigersforever to go to hell without just coming out and saying it.



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Good thing for you idiots don't have their posting privileges seized and forfeited for posting incredibly stupid ideas. You'd have to find somewhere else to demonstrate your foolishness.

Let's do some math. How many doctors do you think there are in the UK that participate in the activites the drug companies pay for? If there are 50,000 doctors participating, then the average payment to a doctor would be £800. So for less than $2,000 per year, for which the doctors have to invest their time and energy, you would treat doctors as criminals. Or do you think doctors should not be attending medical education events, attending support such as training and development, receiving fees for services such as speaking engagements to share good clinical practice or participating in advisory boards?






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More than 75% of British doctors prescribe a treatment they know won't work quote: medical professionals should have their accounts frozen and liquidated....just like they do with they illegal drug dealers. This is absolutely cray cray. Kash, you have been hitting the sauce a little harder than normal today? You say this because of this... quote: More than three-quarters of British doctors prescribe a treatment they know probably won't work at least once a week, like low-dose drugs, vitamins, nutritional supplements or an unnecessary exam, according to a new survey. Wow. I understand about 90% of your posts are just meant to inflame and start discussion. So fine, lets discuss... How many crazy people are out there Kash? You think it out of the realm of possibility that out of all the patients that a doctor sees, he might see at least one or two crazy people a week. Now out of all the patients that a doctor sees, do you think they see one or two at least who think they know more than the doctor and want something done? You add those two things together and you get doctors who often times do things for patients that they know won't help and if they are good doctors won't hurt the patient at least once a week? Like telling them to take some vitamins which really don't cost anything but the patient doesn't know. The patient is happy. The doctor gets the crazy patient off his back so he is happy. As a side note the doctor gets good feedback so his reimbursement is not negatively effected. Or crazy patient comes in demanding a study for some pain they have. Well, doctor knows it isn't anything but the risk of a lawsuit and keeping the patient happy makes them just order the study to get the patient out of his hair. quote: This use of placebo treatments directly contradicts advice from the British Medical Association, which deems them unethical. You understand the different between real world and ivory tower don't you? The patient feels better. The patient is happy. The doctor is happy. Overall sometimes you have to treat the mental aspects of a patient. So you do. The only problem is when you have weak willed doctors or bad doctors who listen too much to a patient... LINK Interesting that happy patients have a higher morbidity. Some feel that this is doing what the patient wants rather than what needs to be done. The patient is happy even though it isn't the best thing. So when going onto those sites that track patient satisfaction with doctors, realize they don't tell the story. Also realize that doctors who brag about how much their patients love them may not be telling the whole story or be even close to the best physicians out there. Kash, you attempt at starting a debate here is weak. And I think this discussion is pretty much over about doctors. If you wish to talk about a system that will reward doctors on patient satisfaction, well that is a different story. If you wish to talk about crazy patients, well have at it. But calling doctors the same thing as illegal drug dealers for giving someone crazy a cheap vitamin that doesn't hurt anyone and makes everyone happy is lame and not understand the issue. ETA, sorry fixed link


Great, great post.
Reminds me how clueless patients are so happy and pleased with doctors that keep to a strict schedule- they think they are the best! When those are just interest in assembly line, see everyone fast, and cha chink.
The truth is, the docs that care, and are treating their patients, their emergencies, and their needs are frequently tardy, because gosh darn it, people get sick at inconvenient times.

But cluelessness about what really is happening in healthcare is the rule.






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TigerRad
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like low-dose drugs, vitamins, nutritional supplements or an unnecessary exam



Any of these things may have enormous value to a given patient in a certain situation.

I can tell you that people who complain of isolated headaches will almost ALWAYS have a normal CT or MRI of the head. The chances of that test helping that persons headache is virtually zero.

However, what if a chronically suffering person thinks they may have a brain tumor? The worry and stress and agony and pain may make their life hell. They knew someone who's brother's wife's grocery bagger had a brain tumor. etc etc.

The value of the "useless" imaging study may be immeasurable to this person and their family. Same can be said of everything in that article.

Why dont you leave these decisions to people that are trained and experienced in making them.






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People think that if they think about a problem, and the answer they come up with makes logical sense, then it must be true. They are like children.





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