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re: We Probably Dodged a Nuclear Disaster with Herman
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:35 pm to semjase
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:35 pm to semjase
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I wanted Herman as well, but Oeaux "Done Good" with the Canada hire, repairing the Brennan damage and bringing in the Coach that probably knows more about Special Teams play than anybody. (Yeah, I know it's just for the Bowl game, but it may be permanent if the all the dices fall in place)
I'll give O his shot for a year or two, because there is no other option at this point.
No further need to cry over spilled milk............
I agree somewhat. He did great with the Canada hire, but the Brennan damage was solely his fault to begin with.
I will give him his shot mostly for the same reason, and also because he didn't get a guy who was married to immobile pocket passers. He takes what he was given, and works with it. He's really only had one true immobile pocket QB since he became an OC. Every other guy has ran effectively, including his "least effective" one in Peterman who had 300 yards and 2 TDs on the ground averaging 4.22 ypc this year. Brennan can run decently and Scott is runs just as good as he passes, which is incredible. Can't wait to see these two fight it out for the starter position.
Can't believe he didn't get a shot with Indiana.
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Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:42 pm to Datbayoubengal
It's pretty telling that orgeron's best attribute is that he "will let his coaches coach" i.e he won't be doing any coaching himself.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:27 am to 632627
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It's pretty telling that orgeron's best attribute is that he "will let his coaches coach" i.e he won't be doing any coaching himself.
That could be an issue if he does not have strong coordinators. He must be an effective hiring manager. Dabo is the same way at Clemson. Not much of a in game or Xs or Os coach but one heckuva recruiter who has hired great assistants.
We just had a HC who meddled and effed up the offense. All Miles had to do was sit back and hire the best OC possible to go along with Aranda and he would still be at LSU. But he thought he had the answers and budded in and over ruling his OCs during his tenure. A HC saying he will stay out of the way of his coordinators is music to the ears of LSU folks who saw what Miles did to his OCs.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:28 am to Geauxst Writer
Any success O has will be totally dependent upon the performance of both coordinators. I like O. I think he can be successful here.
However, Herman is an good offensive mind. No matter who his OC is, his offensive philosophy will ring through. As long as he has good recruiters and a solid DC, he will be successful in my opinion.
O on the other hand, will always have to have excellent coordinators on both sides of the ball to have us where we need to be. Les proved that you can recruit lights out, and still lose 3 games a year consistently.
However, Herman is an good offensive mind. No matter who his OC is, his offensive philosophy will ring through. As long as he has good recruiters and a solid DC, he will be successful in my opinion.
O on the other hand, will always have to have excellent coordinators on both sides of the ball to have us where we need to be. Les proved that you can recruit lights out, and still lose 3 games a year consistently.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 2:29 am
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:29 am to Ironhead985
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Any success O has will be totally dependent upon the performance of coordinators. I like O. I think he can be successful here. However, Herman is an good offensive mind. No matter who his OC is, his offensive philosophy will ring through. As long as he has good recruiters and a solid DC, he will be successful in my opinion. O on the other hand, will always have to have excellent coordinators on both sides of the ball to have us where we need to be. Les proved that you can recruit lights out and MEDDLE AND INTERFERE WITH YOUR OC's WORK WHEN IT WAS ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY, and still lose 3 games a year consistently.
FIFY a little bit:).
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 2:30 am
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:30 am to Ironhead985
Apparently tom herman is so bad that he gets the blame for losing to SDSU in the bowl game, which he did not coach. 
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:39 am to Canwoodtiger
Proper fix 
I agree. Just hope that O doesn't eventually(for whatever reason) start to meddle a little. It should work out very well. Let his coordinators do their jobs, and do what he does best. Recruit at a high level and motivate.
I agree. Just hope that O doesn't eventually(for whatever reason) start to meddle a little. It should work out very well. Let his coordinators do their jobs, and do what he does best. Recruit at a high level and motivate.This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 2:40 am
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:14 am to Ironhead985
Sounds like orgeron should have been hired as recruiting coordinator, not as a head coach.
If he's constantly relying on his coordinators, what's the teams identity? It's going to change every time a coordinator leaves and one comes in.
Guys like Herman, or Meyer, saban, Kelly all have a specialty and can coach one side of the ball, thus giving the team an identity in which they can always recruit the right players for.
If he's constantly relying on his coordinators, what's the teams identity? It's going to change every time a coordinator leaves and one comes in.
Guys like Herman, or Meyer, saban, Kelly all have a specialty and can coach one side of the ball, thus giving the team an identity in which they can always recruit the right players for.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:44 am to 632627
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Sounds like orgeron should have been hired as recruiting coordinator, not as a head coach.
If he's constantly relying on his coordinators, what's the teams identity? It's going to change every time a coordinator leaves and one comes in.
Guys like Herman, or Meyer, saban, Kelly all have a specialty and can coach one side of the ball, thus giving the team an identity in which they can always recruit the right players for.
Believe me, we've been saying the same thing since O was given the interim position.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:06 am to Ironhead985
Many outstanding coaches in college and pro give the game day play calling exclusively to their coordinators. The HC job is to manage the game, manage the overall team and preparedness, and the program. Since DL is O's specialty, he coaches and teaches linemen, but the game planning and play calling goes to the OC/DC. This is commonplace.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:17 am to 632627
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Guys like Herman, or Meyer, saban, Kelly all have a specialty and can coach one side of the ball, thus giving the team an identity in which they can always recruit the right players for.
I have to laugh out loud every time I see these types of comments. Herman is NO Urban Meyer, he is NO Nick Saban and he is NO Kelly. The guy had one good year at Houston in the AAC with another coach's players. Then the next he finished 4th in his division and 6th overall in a crap conference.
There have been 1,000's of coaches who have been specialists on one side of the ball - defense or offense who have sucked as head coaches and been fired.
As far as no identity when changing coordinators, I have heard of a guy who some consider to be the best coach in college football. He is a defensive guy and has won multiple NC's recently with multiple offensive coordinators.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:19 am to Tiger Tracker
I counted the 4 losses that his TEAM went down including the SDSU game because his offensive and defensive strategies underwhelm me, and I think that he is too much too soon for any of us to really know if he is the next coming of Urban or Nickie. All in all, he is a good coach who didn't want to come here, played us to get where he wanted to go, and is overrated big time until he can lead a Power 5 program to consistently strong performances. All coaching hires are crapshoots, and Coach O is one, too. I just think that O will turn out to be a much better hire for LSU than would have Herman. Plus, we'll see in a few years in Austin and BR as to who has built a better team
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:42 am to Geauxst Writer
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All coaching hires are crapshoots
Basically, Herman may prove to be great or might flame out. You just never know. He could be a great coach and for whatever reason the timing or fit isn't right at Texas. We didn't really know what was going to happen with Saban. Yes he was highly regarded among the NFL insiders but no one really knew if he would fit in the south. Turned out to be a home run. But at the same time I don't think anyone thought he would fail in Miami with unlimited resources and full support of the owner and full control of football operations.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:43 am to Geauxst Writer
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I counted the 4 losses that his TEAM went down including the SDSU game because his offensive and defensive strategies underwhelm me
Again, he gets the blame for offense and defense strategies he didn't implememt for the bowl game? I mean do we blame Les for losing to Bama and Florida this year? I didn't.
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I just think that O will turn out to be a much better hire for LSU than would have Herman
Just looking at the stats on each coach you think O has the more successful record as a HC? I'm not going to excuse the losses Herman had, but if you look at O's record as HC that should throw up way more red flags than herman.
You say Herman's hype is built on only a few big wins. Tell me how many of those types of wins O has in his entire HC career?
I don't know why we're even discussing this still, tbh, but none of your reasoning really makes sense from a comparative standpoint. If you think Herman was overrated then i could see not wanting to take the risk, but to assume O is a better HC means your willfully ignoring a large chunk of his HC record.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Tracker
O was an immature HC 9/10 years ago. He did not perform well, by his own admission. From what I have seen in taking over SC and LSU, his HC acumen has improved greatly and he has worked on his craft. 9/10 years ago Donald Trump was a bankrupt business failure. Seems like he learned a few things and improved over that time. Herman's team
/ system this year with him coaching or not coaching was not impressive. We'll see who turns out to be the best hire for TX and LSU.
/ system this year with him coaching or not coaching was not impressive. We'll see who turns out to be the best hire for TX and LSU.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 12:48 pm to Geauxst Writer
I figured you counted them cause your an idiot
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:04 pm to Geauxst Writer
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From what I have seen in taking over SC and LSU, his HC acumen has improved greatly and he has worked on his craft.
If so then tell me how many quality wins he got at those schools? Wins where he wasn't already a heavy favorite to win.
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9/10 years ago Donald Trump was a bankrupt business failure. Seems like he learned a few things and improved over that time.
God i wont even begin politics with you. Not the right board anyway.
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Herman's team
/ system this year with him coaching or not coaching was not impressive.
Yet it produced more impressive victories than O has ever had as an HC.
Again, i understand being iffy on Herman, but let's not pretend that O, based on everything we have seen on each ad HC, was the "smart" choice or safer bet. Comparing their HC records, quality wins, etc Herman has him beat hands down.
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We'll see who turns out to be the best hire for TX and LSU.
Not sure you can compare the two, tbh. Different conferences, and who knows if Herman would do better or worse at LSU than UT. I could see some comparisons if Herman took an SEC job, but since they aren't both playing in the same conference or division it's hard to compare the two.
I guess a good indicator would be playoff appearances and wins.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:31 pm to Mikethegreat
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cause your an idiot
Never gets old. Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:26 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Not sure you can compare the two, tbh. Different conferences
So it would be okay to compare Herman to 6 (six) coaches in the American conference? The five that finished ahead of him (including 2 that beat his team) and the 6th that had a losing record and still kicked Herman's butt 38-16, while holding the offensive genius to 303 total yards?
All while Houston had the most talented team in the conference? Would that be an equitable comparison?
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:41 pm to Tiger Ree
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So it would be okay to compare Herman to 6 (six) coaches in the American conference? The five that finished ahead of him (including 2 that beat his team) and the 6th that had a losing record and still kicked Herman's butt 38-16, while holding the offensive genius to 303 total yards?
All while Houston had the most talented team in the conference? Would that be an equitable comparison?
Sure
did any of those 5 AAC Coaches finish ahead of him last year?
Beat Petrino Fisher or Stoops?
Any of them wen 13 games in a season?
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