re: We Probably Dodged a Nuclear Disaster with Herman

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did any of those 5 AAC Coaches finish ahead of him last year?

Beat Petrino Fisher or Stoops?

Any of them wen 13 games in a season?

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No, but Temple who also finished 7-1 in the AAC last year and lost to Houston in the conference championship game lost 4 games. Navy finished with the same record losing to Houston.

Those teams didn't lose 38-16 to SMU either. Herman did damn good his first year with another staff's players. Not so well his second year when the team was becoming his.

There is NO excuse for losing to SMU who had gone 1-7 and 2-10 overall the year before and had a losing record this year. I think Herman would have done even worse next year at Houston - besides finishing 4-3 in his last 7 this year. He's lucky to be able to move on and take over a team that has had top 10 recruiting classes the last two years. He may need to change teams every two to three years to stay employed.

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improvement of program while at each university, number of quality wins, number of losses when favorite.

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these two stats would favor the other coaches. Especially the first year coaches who beat or played Herman close this year. Herman's 2nd year was worse than his first. Why?

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You don't want a conversation about Herman,

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Would welcome one. Why did he lose three of his last seven games this season? Why did he do so great his first year and wind up in 6th place in his conference this year? I love conversations about Herman and what he has accomplished/failed at in his two year career as Houston's head coach.

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Go away now and let people who actually want to converse do so.

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Whatever, if I didn't want to converse I wouldn't be laying out FACTS about Herman, fricking Houston and the AAC. You think I care about any of the above three items besides dodging a bullet not hiring the 6th place finishing coach in the AAC.

So i was, originally, comparing herman to O in risk factor as HC. I said Herman is a more accomplished HC than O. So by your logic every AAC coach above Herman should have been hired before O, right? Or would you like to get back to my original post you interjected in and tell me why O is a more proven HC than Herman at this point?

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Would welcome one

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No you wouldn't because you ask the same tired questions over and over and they have been answered. Hell i answered part of it in my reply to you, but you're to blind with herman hatred to read it. Injuries. Injuries played a part in some of those losses. Others are concerning no excuse.

So no you don't want a conversation you want to take cherry picked stats and use them to further your agenda. That's all you're doing.

Have a good day Ree. It's been a pleasure listening to you on repeat once again. Hope the rest of the readers get a good laugh at your posts once again. You know, the ones who made all the excuses after herman lost to Louisville...oh wai...that whole hate thread you made blew up in your face didn't it?? What a shame. Carry on.

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Good thing LSU didn't have to deal with something like rumors of a coaching change or not knowing who the coach would be next year.

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we did

and we lost 4 games.

but even though, your coach getting fired/almsot fired is more likely to make you play harder.

Your coaching bailing on you is more likely to make you not want to play for the SOB.

Like if your father died, you probably would feel different than if he ran out on you.

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Or would you like to get back to my original post you interjected in and tell me why O is a more proven HC than Herman at this point?

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How about 5-2 in the last 7 games at LSU this season with one loss being to the consensus #1 team in the country while Herman was 4-3 in his last 7 losing to Navy, SMU and Memphis.

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You know, the ones who made all the excuses after herman lost to Louisville

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I was the one on the 2nd page of that thread that said the upset could happen. The Hermanette's were freaking out because UL was favored. I pointed out that Herman was a 23 point favorite against SMU and got blown out only scoring 2 points in the 4th quarter. I called that upset and did not make any excuses, but it did raise questions to how he could lose to Navy and SMU and then beat a team like Louisville. Memphis hadn't happened yet. I correctly picked the Memphis game in the thread you are referencing.

I was wrong in thinking Herman would finish 3-4. He surprised the shite out of me and finished 4-3 and wound up 6th in the AAC. Did a hell of a lot better than I thought he would. Coo-dos' to him. He was a hell of a coach (in the AAC last year).

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Jesus dude, I have seen Herman homers, hell, Tiger Tracker is the biggest Herman cheerleader to walk the face of the earth. Including Herman's wife, but that shite you just posted is ridiculous.

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i guess analogies are a little past your level.

Are you gonna disappear like punk if Texas is good next your, like you did after Houston beat Louisville?

shite what is beloved Coach O doesn't beat them? Are you gonna disappear till Texas loses a game?

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How about 5-2 in the last 7 games at LSU

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Nice cherry picking again. Tell me about O's QUALITY wins during his entire time as HC. Name all of the teams he beat where his team was not a favorite to win and they blew the other team out. That's what i asked the OP. 5 years of HC experience, including interim, and you choose 7 games.

Nah, you don't cherry pick stats at all.

I'm not saying O will fail, btw. I think he has made some great hires and all things considered delivered on keeping the continuity he promised.

Im simply saying when you compare what O had accomplished up until the hire vs what Herman had Herman's record was quite a bit more impressive than O's in every aspect.

You point to Herman's losses, but O had much worse at Ole Miss. Since then he hasn't really had many if any signature wins as interim coach either. Maybe he is the next Dabo, who knows. Maybe Herman is the next Meyer. I don't know if either is true yet.

Speculate all you want on how Herman will be a failure or sub par coach at the next level. Nothing is proven so i cant say you're right or wrong without knowing the future. However, for the 100th time, I asked the OP to show me how O has proven more as HC than Herman over their entire careers. Neither you or the OP answer that question.

I hope O succeeds, but let's not pretend like tom herman is a worse/more risky hire than O given their resumes. You pick questions, quotes, stats, anf responses to fit your agenda. You're not truly evaluating Herman like i asked. Again you're not here for a conversation you want to push your agenda.

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Im simply saying when you compare what O had accomplished up until the hire vs what Herman had Herman's record was quite a bit more impressive than O's in every aspect.

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Okay, let's take this year for example. Herman finished 4-3 losing to Navy, SMU and memphis. He finished 6th in his conference.

CEO was 5-2 in that same span with one of his losses (aided by Bama refs) being to the #1 team in the country. Let's see 5-2 with one loss to Bama or 6th place in the AAC. Hell, that's a tough decision, I think I'll go with the guy who lost to the #1 team in the country.

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You point to Herman's losses, but O had much worse at Ole Miss

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When was that again? Was it this year? Would CEO have beat SMU even if he was at Ole Miss 10 years ago?

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Speculate all you want on how Herman will be a failure or sub par coach at the next level. Nothing is proven so i cant say you're right or wrong without knowing the future. However, for the 100th time, I asked the OP to show me how O has proven more as HC than Herman over their entire careers. Neither you or the OP answer that question.

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CEO has taken two teams who fired their head coaches and done better the the fired HC. Herman took over a winning team and done worse in his second year than he did the first with the previous staff's program. CEO took over LSU and lost to the #1 team in the country. Herman lost to SMU among others.

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Maybe Herman is the next Meyer

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As soon as he gained 303 total yards and lost to SMU I was thinking the same thing. It is obvious the guy is the next Saban, Meyer and Belichick rolled into one person.

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You disappeared from the Lousiville game till we hired O.

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I posted the night of and the morning after the Louisville game. I went to Louisiana for Thanksgiving Friday - the day after the game. I was also not on here right after Memphis beat Herman.

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If he can win with Charlie Strong's players at all that already an accomplishment considering Charlie strong was 5-7 for 2 years with them.

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Even UT fans realize Strong was a process in work. Go to the UT 24/7 board and read up on it. A lot of the posts are readable even if you don't have a subscription. They are freaking out about the rejection Herman has faced at Texas.

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But he needs to actually go get some big time recruits instead of just getting the ones we had committed to stay/recommit.

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Yeah, he has the #5 class in the country and will have some big recruits to finish. Don't worry - but Herman would not be doing the same as CEO on the recruiting trail at LSU. Hell he can't do it in Texas even though he coached there the last two years and was anointed the next GREAT coach.

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ts just fricking dumb to day Herman looks like a nuclear disaster because his team lost a bowl game he didn't coach.

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Losing to SMU 38-16 while gaining 303 total yards on offense is like LSU being shutout by Vanderbilt 40-0. Disaster, I don't know, but I wouldn't want the guy coaching the LSU program.