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re: Coaching Search Thread

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/23/25 at 9:36 pm to
Attempt
[uh-tempt]

To make an effort at; try; undertake; seek

I don't know if I'd call that an attempt at a hire. Words like "effort" and "try" don't match that kind of result.

re: Coaching Search Thread

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/23/25 at 9:27 pm to
That's not even being desperate, that's just the front street admission that an open Arkansas football job is nothing but a plaything and political theater for out of touch boosters.To disrespect the Arkansas fan base that boldly this many times is class action lawsuit worthy.

re: Petrino

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/23/25 at 7:01 pm to
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It won't happen because of the idiot savant knuckledraggers who would throw a fit. We will wind up with an up and comer, to be up and outer here within 3-4 years.


There's this "tale as old as time/so sick of this song and dance" tone to your post, but we don't even hire up-and-comers. We've never once hired a rising star at a lower league. That's really the part that infuriates me the most. There are some exceptions, but for the most part, you hire someone who's been winning at a high cut as a head coach in Division I FBS football. It's always a bit of a crapshoot, but that's generally the best metric you have if someone is a good coach. Extra credit if they built/rescued their football program and didn't take over a well-oiled machine when the previous guy got hired away to a bigger brand. Pass or fail, that's the thing that makes sense and minimizes your chances of failure.

But we hired Chad Morris with three years HC experience and a losing record at SMU, and then a career offensive line coach. To the most predictable results imaginable.

re: Offense is pathetic

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/16/25 at 4:24 pm to
How many of those 41 are just Taylen? I'm guessing over 12.
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Just hire a young, successful G-5 coach for the love of God.

Chad was 14-22 at SMU.

He was not a "successful" G-5 coach. Silverfield, Eric Morris, Alex Golesh, etc. are not just "different flavors of Chad Morris". There should be no "leary-ness" of successful up-and-comers.

Just don't hire the unsuccessful up-and-comers with a losing record.


I've been screaming this since the Morris days. I don't get it. Yeah, we may end up with a dud. I wanted Neal Brown at the end of 2016. Look how he ended up. Norvell was probably #3 on my list. Look how he ended up. It's always going to be a risk and that's just part of it, but there are simple ways to minimize the chance of failure and maximize the chance of success. Just mitigate the risk in the most logical way, which is to just hire a coach with a high degree of success as a head coach somewhere in FBS football. Anywhere. Bonus points if it's success sustained longer than one year, and/or with another HC's players from the previous year. It worked out with Petrino v1.0. It failed with Bert. Since Bert, we haven't even fricking tried.

I don't understand why we keep trying to get cute with this shite. It's like we keep forgetting the first two rules of the game: 1) Hire a known winner, 2) don't hire a known loser.

If we're going to shoot ourselves in the foot by taking a risk, at least take a novel risk. We could have hired Kevin Kelley back in the days when he was the only one refusing to punt on fourth down and at least thrown a wrench into the system.

re: First 11m

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/15/25 at 3:30 pm to
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We basically have moved the ball at will except for when Taylen decides to give them the ball


Turns out not choking is part of it. Maybe don't turn the ball over on the first possession at the 24 and we could've kicked the FG and ended up winning this thing.

I'm noticing that the Petrino haters are going to be against him no matter what happens aside from an undefeated season from the point of him taking over, and the Petrino lovers are going to excuse any and every shortcoming.

What exactly IS this guy's fault? We scored 15 offensive points at home. Every game he's lost since taking over has been a one-score loss outside of Auburn, which was one of the top two complaints we had against Pittman. The defense - under Petrino's hand, to his earned credit - had their best game of the year against P4 competition.

Since taking over, BP's vaunted offense lost the turnover battle to Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU by three turnovers in each game. Three of the five games.That isn't normal and if he isn't going to fix it or make an appropriate change, he should at least face some consensus backlash. The defense's performance matters and it does exonerate him of a few things, but offense is supposed to be his bread-and-butter and we keep turning the ball over more often than our opponent - sometimes significantly more often. Does the defense get all the blame when our drive somehow gets flipped to the opponent's drive?

On the plus side, since the season has looked virtually identical to when Pittman was in charge, I think the conspiracy theorists can lay to rest the hypothesis that Petrino was somehow sabotaging him to wrest control. Turns out we just suck that much and BP was never not trying his hardest.

re: Coaching Search Thread

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/15/25 at 12:41 pm to
Kum and Go has been rebranded into Maverik, so unfortunately the hilarious irony would be lost.

re: GRRRRRR

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/14/25 at 3:38 pm to
You're kind of selling me on Petrino 2.0, but something tells me your scenario won't come to pass because it's too forward thinking.

If we're just hiring Bobby back and not changing a thing we've been doing and treating it like we're in 2012 again, count me out. A 2020s approach to him might just work.

re: GRRRRRR

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/14/25 at 3:34 pm to
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You forgave Jessica and married her, why can't you forgive Bobby too? It takes two to tango.


Wait, did Jessica's dude really do this?

re: GRRRRRR

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/14/25 at 3:25 pm to
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So, we are in stead going to hire and up and comer who will sell tix for 1 season, show suckage, and be gone.


We don't even do this much right. This would be failing in a way that at least made sense. Our last two hires didn't make any sense in any capacity. If we took our chances on a Sumrall or Chadwell and struck out, I could live with that. The fricking embarrassment Pitt and Morris brought is untenable.

If Cal ends up flopping in basketball, I won't be the least bit ashamed. Because we went out there and showed we gave half a shite and we were ready to not waste the momentum the Muss years brought us. Our football hires and the flawed logic they were made on reek of every personality trait that runs contrary to competitive sports.

re: Would you accept

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/3/25 at 9:20 pm to
I don't personally recall anyone talking about Calipari. That shite rocked me to the core.

Franklin is a similar caliber, albeit not quite as good choice. Cal's NC is over a decade old, but that makes a difference. Everyone talked about Pittman being here to "stabilize" and "right the ship." Any ole bullshite can happen, but James Franklin has being a consistent 9–4 written all over him.

That's what most of us realistically want, right? 8/9 wins most years, with a disappointment and chance to make a big noise at either bookend?

It's funny how close Pittman and Bert both were to satisfying the fan base. Stop losing to G5s, having second half meltdowns when you're up 17+ midway through the third, and stop being a 5–7 team's only SEC win. And there you go, 8+ wins every year. Bobby never lost the games he was supposed to win after that first year, despite some close calls. Look at the difference not dropping the 2011 A&M, Vandy, and Ole Miss games made. No coach we've had since then (including current era BP) could gut out those wins.

re: Bobby tards

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/1/25 at 7:52 pm to
James Franklin got fired for no real publicly discernible reason. I don't know who the frick Penn State thinks they are these days, but they can sit their asses down with us and Nebraska and do some reflecting. His results were on par with Joe Paterno. The guy who won their last NC 40 years ago and hadn't won the NC in 25 years before he retired and croaked.

Personally, I don't care if a hire is a splash. Wins are more exciting than a good press conference.

re: Bobby tards

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/1/25 at 7:45 pm to
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Glad to see I'm not the only one who is relatively high on chadwell. I think he gets liberty rolling again, but no way he get the job off the back of the past two seasons.


He's 4–4, their year is entirely salvageable still if he wins out. With the exception of Kennesaw State, it seems like he could. And this is the first "bad" year he's had in six consecutive seasons.

re: Bobby tards

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/1/25 at 7:42 pm to
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I'd rather spend money on NIL than a meh hire


Honestly, I respect this answer. It's better than the "wHo We GeT?!" bullshite. The only reason I'm not in the same boat is because we have an administration I don't believe is capable of going whole hog all-in on this and not fricking it to oblivion and back.

I don't agree with the "meh" part. If you think it's meh, that's only because it doesn't excite you. That "meh" hire is currently 6–3 at a P4 program, just upset #10 Miami, went 11–3 and to the playoffs last year, and 11–3 the year before that. That's just objectively not "meh." Does it mean he'll succeed here? No. That's just how it goes. But thanks for having a real opinion at least, it's really a good idea in theory. Especially considering Bobby's achilles heel was his recruiting. Well, that and his offenses being so good that he couldn't keep his defense off the field.

re: Bobby tards

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/1/25 at 7:37 pm to
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He’ll never answer lol


I really don't fricking get this. The whole "who do we hire???" rhetorical question, as though there can't POSSIBLY be an answer.

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Who do you honestly think we have a chance at, you fricking idiot?


Off the top of my head? Anyone who thinks five million dollars a year sounds good, plus a guaranteed 20+ million for getting fired for sucking at their job. You wouldn't happen to know anyone like that, would you?

Rhett just upset Miami today. Went to the playoffs last year. At SMU. Everyone needs to get over whatever weird high school bullshite they have against Rhett and support an AD who throws every available resource at him. If that AD doesn't do this, he's a fricking double agent still on Houston's payroll.

re: Bobby tards

Posted by VagueMessage on 11/1/25 at 7:33 pm to
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Come on. Go on the record with who you think should be our next coach.


Rhett Lashlee
Jon Sumrall
Jamey Chadwell

In that order, but Chadwell is a distant third.
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As a matter of fact, I would avoid both.


You looking for a job? :lol:
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To insinuate that Morris was somehow a celebrated hire in 2018 is laughable. He was not "the next big thing". Norvell would have done a fine job (at least better than the last 7 years) and Silverfield would do a fine job as well in this cycle.


I think it's fair to say he was while he was orchestrating the offensive rise at Clemson. But then Clemson takes the next step and wins two natties after he leaves, and SMU exposes him as an also-ran.

So naturally we hire him to predictable results.

re: So it’s not Bobby

Posted by VagueMessage on 10/26/25 at 5:39 pm to
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What makes you so sure we get him? He's got a great set up where he is. Plenty of money. More than Arkansas. Their rich boosters have shown they are willing to pay up for wins. Much easier path to the playoffs. Don't have to even travel to recruit. Great area, awesome campus, expectations lower


I'm not sure, I was just throwing out what I think is a good example. He has it made, but he's also from Springdale and played for Arkansas. And to be clear, I'm over the in-state ties being a factor, but that could sway him. Or not. I just want the AD to do their due diligence and make earnest attempts and hire someone who's a proven winner at some level.

re: So it’s not Bobby

Posted by VagueMessage on 10/26/25 at 10:07 am to
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would you rather stick with BP knowing what you’re getting to an extent or go with a high-risk, high-reward option


Neither. Bob Chesney is high risk/unknown reward because he's doing well at JMU, but he's maintaining what Curt Cignetti built. I'd say high risk/high reward would be Jamey Chadwell. He built Coastal Carolina, went 13–1 at Liberty, and he's declined the past two years. Maybe Liberty isn't the place for him, or maybe he'd be our Mike Norvell. Sam Pittman was high risk/low reward. Chad Morris was high risk/low reward. We need to stop making these hires and just hire people who're winning somewhere - and then avoid ungodly buyouts and extensions for barely winning seasons, and cut them loose when it's appropriate to do so.

I'd seriously rather have Rhett Lashlee than Bobby Petrino. Yeah, he's 5–3 at SMU this year. But SMU isn't exactly an easy place to win at these days, they're a team with G5 resources that joined a P4 conference only last year. He went 11–3 the previous two years and 7–6 his first year. I know this year is a disappointment for them because he just went to the playoffs, but he's honestly killing it at SMU. He's having more success than Sonny Dykes did at SMU, and TCU hired Dykes and went to the National Championship. Lashlee is as low risk as we can reasonably expect, and a high reward.