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Giant thread talking about Tyrion as a Targaryen

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Interesting. Don't know that I buy it. But interesting.

A funny thing here is that when I first saw the theory offered, and saw the word "Targ", my mind registered "Warg" and that's what REALLY threw me! lol and then the talk of Tyrion and dragons, and his dreaming about dragons, I was thinking it was about his putting his mind into dragons!

Tyron a Warg - that's totally whacky. Tyron a Targ, not the craziest of theories! :^)

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this, i think

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Cool. Thanks, manwich.

I thought it was a very decent finale. some thoughts..

- I didn't have anywhere as big a problem w/the Dany crowd mosh ending. Yes, a little cheesy, but they just showed the Lannisters basically conquering Westeros, so they ended with a counterpoint: Dany's rising star. which is the directions the books go in anyway, gearing up for a Lanister/Targaryon throwdown (be it Dany or Aegon).

- Am I wrong, or did they shift the emphasis of Stanis' decision to go to the wall. My recollection of the book is that it emphasized his personal integrity by having him choose to forestall his personal conquest of Westeros in favor of going North to save the entire realm. The way it palyed last night, Stanis is basically pushed into doing it by Meisandre and Davos.

- Arya's looking at the coin and saying "Valor Marghulis" doesn't do anything, does it? Doesn't she need to give it to a Bravos guy?

- The Shae/Varys scene was completely new, right? Interesting in that it propagates the notion that Shae is utterly devoted to Tyrion, when she will ultimately betray him, right? So why did the writers feel the need to prop up the idea that she truly loves him?

- I'm fuzzy on what Asha/Yara does in the book. Does she go all the way back to the Iron Islands, and then back again to rescue Theon? Or did she not return to the Iron Islands until after Balon died, and then we got the Kingsmoot?

- Every scene with Tywin in it was spectacular, from Tywin/Joff to Tywin /Tyrion. They're especially setting up Tyrion's patricide very nicely.

All in all, a solid season - hope they can keep this up. I'm hoping we get 2 season per book, so that we're done w/book 5 through s8, and then s9&10 are book 6. Hopefully by then there's an outside shot that book 7 is close to done? (not holding my breath).

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Because I'm assuming she didn't know Arya was in the last episode. I don't think Mel is referencing a future mistaken vision when talking to a little girl.

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She would know who Arya was if she saw her in a vision.

I forget - when she sees "Arya" in her vision and tells Jon about it, does she tell him that she sees his sister? Or does she just describe someone and Jon thinks it is Arya? And if it's the former, how did she know it was Arya if she hadn't met her? Seems to me it would be because that was part of the vision.

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So I've been thinking about this a lot:

Mel telling Arya that "We will meet again" is quite possibly a spoiler for a future scene in the books (although, in the books, they will be meeting for the first time). It would be based on plot details that GRRM has told the producers.

So...do you think there will be any more "future spoilers" as the show catches up more and more with the books?

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Melisandre is most likely referring to her erroneous vision that Arya will come to the Wall while she and Stannis are there, right? We know she thinks that going to happen (at least once she has the vision).

ah...good points, Dire Wolf - I'd forgotten that stuff. Altho I guess a prior assassination attempt by Joffrey might seal the deal. Perhaps they will cut out some of that other stuff on the show, so they needed some extra "evidence" against Tyrion.

I apologize if this was mentioned in the previous 27 pages of post (yikes!), but I had a question about the revelation that Joffery, not Cersei, ordered Tyrion dead during the battle of Blackwater. Is that the way it was in the books? That was not my recollection. I had thought that it was Cersei. I saw at least 1 website that suggests that the books don't reveal the answer. Does anyone know what was said about this in the books?

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It wouldn't be completely cut, just scaled down a lot to where it's not the full wedding. this way, they could not worry about a ton of extras and decorations. a small celebration for RW or something, idk. smae shite still happens, just much smaller of a scale

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I agree- they could do things to imply the wedding is a lot bigger than they're showing - but you need to see the little shite turn purple in front of all his guests!!

I agree that the battle at the wall will be the highlight for s4. You also have the death of Lyssa and Tyrion's murder of Tywin to really take the show out on high energy.

But if they move the PW into s3, doesn't that really stretch out his trial and escape much too long? All the way through the entire s4?

Avengers was a fun movie top to bottom. It made me happy that I lived long enough to see such a cool translation of comics into live action film. It was funny. It was exciting. It was cool to watch. Is it a deep sophisticated movie with powerful themes? Nope. But its a nonstop fun ride.

TDKR was a mess. It had some really good parts, but overall it just didn't hold together. People doing things for no obvious reason (yes, if you micro-analyze it, you can kind of figure out why everyone did what they did - but should you really need to work that hard in this type of a movie??). Plus, there were slow stretches for good chunks of the movie. It was just uneven.

TDK was a much better movie in that it had a more focused plot and a more coherent theme. Heath Ledger put in the best performance in any of the 3 Bat movies. But even that movie was bloated and could have done w/a good 30 minute excision of fat.

BB is arguably the best of the Nolan trilogy b/c other than the very ending, where it degenerated into more of a flashy action movie, it was extremely tight and focused and gave what's easily the best interpretation/explanation for the Batman character on the screen to date. It laid it out its theme about conquering one's fear and then ran with it throughout the movie. I can see the argument though the TDR is a better movie only insofar as BB has no performance close to Heath Ledger's Joker.

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Game of Thrones Season 3 E3 - Walk of Punishment <Book Readers thread>*spoilers*
Reading all of this affirms that I think GRRM is never going to finish this series .

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that would suck if he does not. :^(