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re: Kara Kopcso (Swimming) breaks two 17 year old Natatorium records.
Posted by tigerswimmer859 on 2/4/15 at 6:25 pm to RUKidding
By the way, I know exactly who swimswamswum is, and he assuredly isn't anyone on the staff or anyone who has ever been on the staff (nor am I).
I am willing to bet large sums of money that if you asked every person who swam for at least a year under Adam as a HC and under Dave as a HC, at least 90% of them would agree that Dave is better for the program than Adam.
RUKidding is starting to get a little excessive and ridiculous right now.
I am willing to bet large sums of money that if you asked every person who swam for at least a year under Adam as a HC and under Dave as a HC, at least 90% of them would agree that Dave is better for the program than Adam.
RUKidding is starting to get a little excessive and ridiculous right now.
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re: Kara Kopcso (Swimming) breaks two 17 year old Natatorium records.
Posted by tigerswimmer859 on 2/4/15 at 6:18 pm to RUKidding
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If a recruit doesn't work out do they get cut or do they continue holding the team back?
Hmm, well I can think of a particular swimmer (a guy) whose best ever performance was a :54 100 back who was brought in by Schmitt and then cut by Geyer, so...
re: Kara Kopcso (Swimming) breaks two 17 year old Natatorium records.
Posted by tigerswimmer859 on 2/2/15 at 8:34 pm to tigerbait2010
There are exactly 0 SEC schools with a men's soccer team, so this is a silly idea. And I have little doubt that with a new natatorium LSU could and would be a top 15 team.
Edit - didn't know SC had a soccer team.
Edit - didn't know SC had a soccer team.
re: Kara Kopcso (Swimming) breaks two 17 year old Natatorium records.
Posted by tigerswimmer859 on 2/2/15 at 8:32 pm to RUKidding
Missed RUKidding's post, so I'll address that as well.
When Geyer took over, the program was in absolute shambles. Adam Schmitt didn't have a clue what he was doing running the program -- and this is coming from someone who had less of a problem with Adam than almost any other person on or affiliated with the team at the time. Geyer has consistently brought in PHENOMENAL assistants and is a solid coach in his own regard. The problem with looking to NCAA results to weigh the overall improvements/non-improvements of a team is that for all but the best 10 or so teams, having 1 superstar will get you further than having 20 good, solid swimmers. A much better metric for gauging success is SEC finish, and LSU has been the same or better than when Schmitt left in just about every year under Geyer. Granted, this year is a down year, but LSU is far stronger as a program than it was a few years ago. In 2013, LSU would've been 4th at SECs if not for Alleva/Segar's crap (can get into it if you really want, but don't feel like explaining the story at length. Suffice to say that a guy who would've easily scored enough points to put us in 4th got kicked off the team when he 100% shouldn't have been). I don't feel like looking up results, but it has been a LONG time since the top 4 finishers at SECs weren't Auburn/Florida/Georgia/Tennessee, in some order.
Furthermore, you note a list of teams that LSU has lost meets to this year. To that point, there are 2 major counterpoints. (1) UF/UGA/AUB/TEN are all top programs in the NCAA. (2) Swimming is worlds different than football or basketball or other team sports where a solid team that plays well can overcome a team that is decidedly "better." That DOESN'T happen in swimming -- not unless the team rests down or suits up, and LSU doesn't do those things for dual meets because they tend to hurt end-of-season performance.
The sole reason LSU is where it is in the SEC pecking-order is recruiting. And the reason LSU is behind the schools it is behind in this aspect is its facility. I am nearly 100% confident that if we built a new pool, you'd see a significant upswing in the level of talent the staff could bring in.
When Geyer took over, the program was in absolute shambles. Adam Schmitt didn't have a clue what he was doing running the program -- and this is coming from someone who had less of a problem with Adam than almost any other person on or affiliated with the team at the time. Geyer has consistently brought in PHENOMENAL assistants and is a solid coach in his own regard. The problem with looking to NCAA results to weigh the overall improvements/non-improvements of a team is that for all but the best 10 or so teams, having 1 superstar will get you further than having 20 good, solid swimmers. A much better metric for gauging success is SEC finish, and LSU has been the same or better than when Schmitt left in just about every year under Geyer. Granted, this year is a down year, but LSU is far stronger as a program than it was a few years ago. In 2013, LSU would've been 4th at SECs if not for Alleva/Segar's crap (can get into it if you really want, but don't feel like explaining the story at length. Suffice to say that a guy who would've easily scored enough points to put us in 4th got kicked off the team when he 100% shouldn't have been). I don't feel like looking up results, but it has been a LONG time since the top 4 finishers at SECs weren't Auburn/Florida/Georgia/Tennessee, in some order.
Furthermore, you note a list of teams that LSU has lost meets to this year. To that point, there are 2 major counterpoints. (1) UF/UGA/AUB/TEN are all top programs in the NCAA. (2) Swimming is worlds different than football or basketball or other team sports where a solid team that plays well can overcome a team that is decidedly "better." That DOESN'T happen in swimming -- not unless the team rests down or suits up, and LSU doesn't do those things for dual meets because they tend to hurt end-of-season performance.
The sole reason LSU is where it is in the SEC pecking-order is recruiting. And the reason LSU is behind the schools it is behind in this aspect is its facility. I am nearly 100% confident that if we built a new pool, you'd see a significant upswing in the level of talent the staff could bring in.
re: Kara Kopcso (Swimming) breaks two 17 year old Natatorium records.
Posted by tigerswimmer859 on 2/2/15 at 8:11 pm to RUKidding
Kara is a phenomenal swimmer, but unfortunately for swimming, the regular season is pretty much completely pointless. Not only do wins and losses and results mean next to nothing, but in swimming, you really only have 1 or 2 chances to swim your absolute fastest -- because it's almost impossible to do so without a full rest cycle and a racing suit. That said, Kara absolutely has the potential to make some serious noise come SECs and NCAAs and I really hope she does.
I'll also point out that anyone who is dismayed with the team results shouldn't take them as an indication that LSU swimming is no good. Here's why: First off, A&M's women (separate program from their men, unlike LSU) are a perennial top 5 team. With the way swimming works, the 20th ranked team in the country, even if it had the meet of its life, will VERY rarely give the 5th ranked team a run for its money. Next -- with regards to the men -- like I said, without rest, a swimmer isn't going to sniff the results they're capable of. And different teams and different coaches have different philosophies on just how much rest a swimmer should have before a dual meet. The LSU staff is stoutly against ANY rest before a regular season meet. On the other hand, A&M virtually ALWAYS swims poorly all year up until the LSU meet, when they always seem to have had a bit of rest. Looking at this year's results confirms this -- I doubt if you'll see many of those A&M kids swim much faster than that at SECs or NCAAs. LSU is a far different story.
And I'm pretty sure you'd be hard-up to find a swimmer who was on the team in 2013 that wouldn't agree with the Fire Alleva sentiment. I could go on for days about the bullshite he and Miriam Segar pulled, but that's another story for another day. Geaux Kara.
I'll also point out that anyone who is dismayed with the team results shouldn't take them as an indication that LSU swimming is no good. Here's why: First off, A&M's women (separate program from their men, unlike LSU) are a perennial top 5 team. With the way swimming works, the 20th ranked team in the country, even if it had the meet of its life, will VERY rarely give the 5th ranked team a run for its money. Next -- with regards to the men -- like I said, without rest, a swimmer isn't going to sniff the results they're capable of. And different teams and different coaches have different philosophies on just how much rest a swimmer should have before a dual meet. The LSU staff is stoutly against ANY rest before a regular season meet. On the other hand, A&M virtually ALWAYS swims poorly all year up until the LSU meet, when they always seem to have had a bit of rest. Looking at this year's results confirms this -- I doubt if you'll see many of those A&M kids swim much faster than that at SECs or NCAAs. LSU is a far different story.
And I'm pretty sure you'd be hard-up to find a swimmer who was on the team in 2013 that wouldn't agree with the Fire Alleva sentiment. I could go on for days about the bullshite he and Miriam Segar pulled, but that's another story for another day. Geaux Kara.
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