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Dawg151
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You have to understand the typical Georgia fan's psyche to understand why wins over a top ten team bring such elation.
Georgia fans are raised on Larry Munson and Vince Dooley, two of the biggest woe-is-us poor mouthers that ever were associated with college football. They are sacred to every Georgia fan out there. No matter what, Munson and Dooley used to question our ability to win before every single game we played...be it against William & Mary or Alabama. Both did it for drastically different reasons, of course; Munson did it to drum up interest in the radio broadcast, Dooley to inspire some kind of focus in the team...but for the fans, it just came out as pessimism.
Georgia fans heard that sort of thing year after year after year to the point where it became a part of a Georgia fan's mentality. There's a pessimism that's a part of every single Georgia fan. If there's not something wrong with our team, we'll make something up just so we can complain about it. We'll elevate every opponent to juggernaut level just so we can worry amongst ourselves the week leading up to the game. When we do find ourselves facing a solid, top ten program like LSU or Bama (or any other top ten program we face), well, the worry and pessimism levels go through the roof.
That's why, I think, Georgia fans treat wins like this as if they involved some sort of championship. When we've convinced ourselves the entire week leading up to the game that we can't win, when we do, it just feels that much larger.
The funny thing about all of this, though, is that when we lose, most of us Georgia fans will immediately discredit all of our pessimism and find no valid reason for losing whatsoever.
Georgia fans are raised on Larry Munson and Vince Dooley, two of the biggest woe-is-us poor mouthers that ever were associated with college football. They are sacred to every Georgia fan out there. No matter what, Munson and Dooley used to question our ability to win before every single game we played...be it against William & Mary or Alabama. Both did it for drastically different reasons, of course; Munson did it to drum up interest in the radio broadcast, Dooley to inspire some kind of focus in the team...but for the fans, it just came out as pessimism.
Georgia fans heard that sort of thing year after year after year to the point where it became a part of a Georgia fan's mentality. There's a pessimism that's a part of every single Georgia fan. If there's not something wrong with our team, we'll make something up just so we can complain about it. We'll elevate every opponent to juggernaut level just so we can worry amongst ourselves the week leading up to the game. When we do find ourselves facing a solid, top ten program like LSU or Bama (or any other top ten program we face), well, the worry and pessimism levels go through the roof.
That's why, I think, Georgia fans treat wins like this as if they involved some sort of championship. When we've convinced ourselves the entire week leading up to the game that we can't win, when we do, it just feels that much larger.
The funny thing about all of this, though, is that when we lose, most of us Georgia fans will immediately discredit all of our pessimism and find no valid reason for losing whatsoever.
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re: LSU vs. UGA program cover from 1935!
Posted by Dawg151 on 9/27/13 at 3:47 pm to bulldogger
Interesting Georgia perspective from that game:
"One of the most beloved scoreboards from Sanford Stadium featured a bulldog holding a 2×4 with a nail sticking out of the end. Georgia has always been known for defending the hedges and for opposing teams defacing them for “souvenirs,” but there’s a story behind that bulldog with the nailed board.
In 1935, Georgia played LSU. Here’s a brief history of that game by Thomas O’Toole, a sports writer for the AJC in 1986:
The year was 1935. Huey Long, who ran Louisiana, wanted LSU to play at Georgia.
“He called Harold Hirsch, who was big in the Coke company (as an attorney),” recalled Bill Hartman, a Georgia player then and an assistant coach now. “Harold told him that they couldn’t play that year because schedules were made up too far in advance. Huey told him Louisiana was thinking about putting an additional tax on Coke. Harold told him whenever you want to play, we’ll do it.”
The teams met Nov. 16. LSU brought nearly the entire student body – mostly military cadets – and won 13-0.
“The cadets wanted to come down on the field and tear down the goalposts,” said Hartman. “They didn’t know there was a fence in the hedges. They started to go through the hedges and got hung up at the fence. It had been some kind of souvenir day, and the Georgia fans had been given 18-inch bats. When the cadets got hung up, the Georgia students descended on them and started beating them with the bats.”
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"One of the most beloved scoreboards from Sanford Stadium featured a bulldog holding a 2×4 with a nail sticking out of the end. Georgia has always been known for defending the hedges and for opposing teams defacing them for “souvenirs,” but there’s a story behind that bulldog with the nailed board.
In 1935, Georgia played LSU. Here’s a brief history of that game by Thomas O’Toole, a sports writer for the AJC in 1986:
The year was 1935. Huey Long, who ran Louisiana, wanted LSU to play at Georgia.
“He called Harold Hirsch, who was big in the Coke company (as an attorney),” recalled Bill Hartman, a Georgia player then and an assistant coach now. “Harold told him that they couldn’t play that year because schedules were made up too far in advance. Huey told him Louisiana was thinking about putting an additional tax on Coke. Harold told him whenever you want to play, we’ll do it.”
The teams met Nov. 16. LSU brought nearly the entire student body – mostly military cadets – and won 13-0.
“The cadets wanted to come down on the field and tear down the goalposts,” said Hartman. “They didn’t know there was a fence in the hedges. They started to go through the hedges and got hung up at the fence. It had been some kind of souvenir day, and the Georgia fans had been given 18-inch bats. When the cadets got hung up, the Georgia students descended on them and started beating them with the bats.”
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re: LSU already pissing off UGA students
Posted by Dawg151 on 9/27/13 at 3:33 pm to NorthGwinnett LSU
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Not called that anymore. Remember UGA officials said it promoted to much drinking.
Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Now that I think about it, that would explain the complete lack of debauchery in Jacksonville the entire week of the game.
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re: LSU already pissing off UGA students
Posted by Dawg151 on 9/27/13 at 3:26 pm to NorthGwinnett LSU
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Remember at UGA the game is a social party not a football game. Alcohol to be enjoyed in moderation!
This whole thread is kind of funny to me. I wish UGA fans, students and alumni could take part in festivities like they do at other schools. If only we were a participant in a game every year called something like "The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party"...
...oh, wait...
Anyway, carry on! Show us how to party.
re: GameDay celebrity picks for LSU/UGA: Willie Robertson and Bubba Watson
Posted by Dawg151 on 9/27/13 at 12:25 pm to LSU 318 LSU
Meh. Should've been Herschel and Shaq. Then, as a spinoff, a Herschel & Shaq reality TV series.
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The nation better hope UGA loses to Auburn, otherwise chaos is going to erupt.
I like what Lee Feinswog said on 104.5 with Matt Moscona yesterday.
"If Georgia beats Auburn, LSU will win the national championship."
If Georgia beats Auburn, Auburn beats Alabama and then loses the SEC title game and LSU so much as sniffs a BCS title game appearance without winning their division or conference, there will be riots in Athens after we heard "you can't play for the BCS title if you don't even win your division or conference" 5,673,885,246 times in one month following the 2007 regular season (with, I might add, the loudest of those outcries coming from the Baton Rouge vicinity).
Well, here's the real deal...
I've pretty much been done with what happened last season since the end of January. Sure, I was ticked off at the time, but what happened in the past is the past as far as I'm concerned, and Lord knows it was a subject that was beaten to death.
The fact of the matter is that if everyone is completely honest about it, they would have done exactly what each set of fans did if the roles had been reversed. If Georgia was in LSU's situation last season and LSU was in Georgia's, Georgia fans would be saying, "You gotta win the conference game to play in the BCS title game." LSU fans would be saying they got unfairly jumped in the polls. As much as each side has made their argument, it would be totally opposite if the situation were reversed.
Now, both sides can claim that they wouldn't change their minds and that their argument would remain the same, but we all know that's a lie. You're going to support whatever helps your team out in the end. If the same thing happens in the future and either fan base finds itself on the opposite side, I guarantee you'll see the opposite arguments being made. It's actually kind of funny, really.
I've pretty much been done with what happened last season since the end of January. Sure, I was ticked off at the time, but what happened in the past is the past as far as I'm concerned, and Lord knows it was a subject that was beaten to death.
The fact of the matter is that if everyone is completely honest about it, they would have done exactly what each set of fans did if the roles had been reversed. If Georgia was in LSU's situation last season and LSU was in Georgia's, Georgia fans would be saying, "You gotta win the conference game to play in the BCS title game." LSU fans would be saying they got unfairly jumped in the polls. As much as each side has made their argument, it would be totally opposite if the situation were reversed.
Now, both sides can claim that they wouldn't change their minds and that their argument would remain the same, but we all know that's a lie. You're going to support whatever helps your team out in the end. If the same thing happens in the future and either fan base finds itself on the opposite side, I guarantee you'll see the opposite arguments being made. It's actually kind of funny, really.
re: strength
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/20/08 at 2:22 pm to Helmethead
Hmm...I was thinking that you were pointing out that LSU, unlike Georgia, did not make a fuss about being left out of the BCS title game in 2006 despite being a team that was playing well near the end of the season.
If that was the case, I was simply going to mention that LSU had no argument for a BCS title game in 2006 no matter which way 'ya slice it because two teams in front of them had better records.
Regular season alone has determined at least one participant in every single one of those years you listed. The Big 10 and Pac-10 don't have championship games...therefore, the regular season is all that determines their participation.
Claiming that Georgia should not have gone to the BCS title game without winning the SEC is a valid argument. However, Georgia also had a few other arguments...like where they were ranked at the end of the year and the fact that they had the exact same record as LSU at the end of the year. Things that LSU did not have in 2006. So, I think Georgia was a little more justified in raising a little complaint.
If that was the case, I was simply going to mention that LSU had no argument for a BCS title game in 2006 no matter which way 'ya slice it because two teams in front of them had better records.
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If the regular season alone determined the participants in the BCS Championship...
Regular season alone has determined at least one participant in every single one of those years you listed. The Big 10 and Pac-10 don't have championship games...therefore, the regular season is all that determines their participation.
Claiming that Georgia should not have gone to the BCS title game without winning the SEC is a valid argument. However, Georgia also had a few other arguments...like where they were ranked at the end of the year and the fact that they had the exact same record as LSU at the end of the year. Things that LSU did not have in 2006. So, I think Georgia was a little more justified in raising a little complaint.
re: strength
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/20/08 at 1:59 pm to Helmethead
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If you think Miles would have done the same, why did we not hear it in '06? That year most of the country agreed that LSU was scary, and nobody really wanted to face them. They finished 3rd in country w/o making the SECC, very similair to UGA, yet no national whine sessions took place.
How was LSU in '06 the same as Georgia in '07?
LSU finished with two regular season losses in '06 while the teams that were ahead of them playing for the national title finished undefeated (Ohio State) and with only one regular season loss (Florida).
In '07, Georgia finished the regular season with the exact same number of losses as LSU.
About the only similarities I see between LSU '06 and Georgia '07 was the fact that neither team played in the SECCG. LSU had no room to argue in '06 because they had lost more games than both Florida and Ohio State. At least Georgia had the same record as LSU when the regular season was over and done with last year.
Anyway...just wanted to point that out. Carry on.
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re: Does UGA and the Florida Gators have more talent than LSU?
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/16/08 at 11:44 pm to 4EVERLSU1987
That's true and a good point. You'll have him broken in good with games against Florida, Auburn and South Carolina...but surviving those games will be the key.
I didn't say the success in the SEC starts with a good QB. I said success in the SEC starts with a "proven, talented QB." It's important that the guy calling the shots knows what he's doing.
I didn't say the success in the SEC starts with a good QB. I said success in the SEC starts with a "proven, talented QB." It's important that the guy calling the shots knows what he's doing.
re: LSU #1 according to Mel Kiper
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/16/08 at 11:38 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
It can, but I try to keep it small so it doesn't take up too much space.
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re: Does UGA and the Florida Gators have more talent than LSU?
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/16/08 at 11:34 pm to 4EVERLSU1987
"So-so" QB's can lead teams to championships. David Greene, the QB with the most wins in the history of college football, led the Dawgs to a 13-1 record in 2002. Same record as the LSU Tigers in 2003. David Greene was hardly the most talented QB in the world...but what he had (and what Flynn and Mauck had) was some experience and an outstanding leadership quality. Flynn was a senior in 2007 with a lot of experience under his belt. Mauck was a junior with some experience coming in his sophomore year.
Good thing about a schedule like ours: there's no chance to get caught "looking ahead".
For the record, I think it'll be UGA-LSU in the SECCG this season.
For the record, I think it'll be UGA-LSU in the SECCG this season.
re: Does UGA and the Florida Gators have more talent than LSU?
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/16/08 at 11:21 pm to 4EVERLSU1987
You have 4 great QBs?
I'm of the opinion that success in the SEC starts with the QB. If you're not strong and experienced at that position, then you can have a good year, but not a great one.
I'm of the opinion that success in the SEC starts with the QB. If you're not strong and experienced at that position, then you can have a good year, but not a great one.
re: LSU #1 according to Mel Kiper
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/16/08 at 11:16 pm to AllsGroovn
I actually hope they do think about last year when we play you guys. My give 'em a bit of extra incentive.
On the other hand, thinking about the 2005 SECCG or the 2004 game between LSU and UGA in Athens might give us some good mojo, too. So, I don't really know which one I want them to think about.
BTW, who is our one loss before the game with you guys going to come to? I'm just curious. It's definitely a possibility. South Carolina has given us fits at times (and other times, we have demolished them), Alabama certainly took us to the wire last season in Tuscaloosa and Tennessee has throttled us two years in a row. Of course, there's a chance Georgia could beat all those teams, too.
On the other hand, thinking about the 2005 SECCG or the 2004 game between LSU and UGA in Athens might give us some good mojo, too. So, I don't really know which one I want them to think about.
BTW, who is our one loss before the game with you guys going to come to? I'm just curious. It's definitely a possibility. South Carolina has given us fits at times (and other times, we have demolished them), Alabama certainly took us to the wire last season in Tuscaloosa and Tennessee has throttled us two years in a row. Of course, there's a chance Georgia could beat all those teams, too.
re: Does UGA and the Florida Gators have more talent than LSU?
Posted by Dawg151 on 8/16/08 at 11:10 pm to 4EVERLSU1987
You're right. I agree 100%. It also helps to have a proven, talented QB to go along with that RB.
Last year is a distant memory for me.
We haven't "earned" anything yet this year either. No team has earned a thing at this point. Not UGA. Not LSU. Not Ohio State. No one.
The good thing is that we're only 13 days from starting to find out who is gonna earn it this year.
Best of luck to LSU...except for that regular season weekend down in Baton Rouge when we come knockin'.
We haven't "earned" anything yet this year either. No team has earned a thing at this point. Not UGA. Not LSU. Not Ohio State. No one.
The good thing is that we're only 13 days from starting to find out who is gonna earn it this year.
Best of luck to LSU...except for that regular season weekend down in Baton Rouge when we come knockin'.
I don't think there's much of a difference between LSU, Georgia and Florida when it comes to the amount of talent. As a matter of fact, I'd actually say that LSU probably has a little more talent than Georgia or Florida. Not by much, but just a little.
Talent alone, however, doesn't win ball games. Yes, I know it's cliche, but I went with it anyway.
Talent alone, however, doesn't win ball games. Yes, I know it's cliche, but I went with it anyway.
Mel Kiper's hair has finally cut off oxygen to his brain. We all knew it would happen one day.
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UGA's 2 SEC c'ships don't hold a candle to UF's two (2000 and 2006) and BCS title.
Yeah, that 2000 Florida team (10-3) was so much better than that 2005 Georgia team (10-3) and that 2006 Florida team (13-1) was so much better than the 2002 Georgia team (13-1).
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