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re: ESPN Told The ACC Which Teams To Take From Big East Conference
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 10:53 pm to Chitter Chatter
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Have you been to Disneyland/world? If they can get people to pay that kind of money for tickets, they're brilliant.
haha. True
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Why you so mad bro?
Not at all. Just stating my opinion on what could happen
re: ESPN Told The ACC Which Teams To Take From Big East Conference
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 10:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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do tell
how does this violate anti-trust laws? is ESPN forming a monpoly of some sort with the ACC?
If ESPN is telling conferences to take teams from other conferences and giving these new conferences huge TV deals, then the schools left out absolutely have an argument
Coming from a lawyer on our board they can also be liable for tortious interference, RICO (racketeering act), fraud, conspiracy, and libel/slander/defamation
re: ESPN Told The ACC Which Teams To Take From Big East Conference
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 10:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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on what basis?
Anti-trust laws
re: ESPN Told The ACC Which Teams To Take From Big East Conference
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 10:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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by what parties? the Big East?
The teams eventually left out and the Big East
re: ESPN Told The ACC Which Teams To Take From Big East Conference
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 10:22 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
ESPN is in deep shite if true. I expect a class action lawsuit
re: SEC Presidents meeting tomorrow in Atlanta
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 10:21 pm to NonregAg09
Also a Big East meeting tomorrow. Rumors have been flying around tonight about things happening with WVU this week with either the SEC or Big XII. Our radio announcers for the first time tonight said something's happening soon. They've been very quiet and denying it for the past few weeks
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Some of you WVU fans are really delusional, I'll give you that.
Your best win is against a Maryland team that got embarrassed by freaking Temple.
We've done what we've had to do with our schedule with the exception of the LSU game.
And some stats for you.....
WVU vs LSU
533 Total Yards, 21 Points, and 28 First Downs
LSU vs. Miss ST., Kentucky, Florida Combined
561 Total Yards, 24 Total Points, and 35 First Downs
So don't act like we can't compete or suck
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This year? Ummm.. USCe, UF before the Brantley injury, and UGA would all beat you.
especially if you have to play them mixed in with the likes of LSU, Bama, Auburn, Arkansas, MSU on a weekly basis.
haha. Right. ECU put up 37 on USC and UGA barely beat a lousy UT team.
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No, it wouldn't necessarily get better. Sorry to tell you that. You may get a player a year more for it, but you are more than a player away from being a legitimate player in the SEC.
Name one team that we couldn't beat in the SEC East this year? You can't.
re: WVU belongs in the SEC
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 4:37 pm to vegas-tiger
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So West Virginia was a state BEFORE the Civil war?
WOW! That's news to me. I thought it became a state to side WITH the Union? You know...break away from Virginia and its southern ways.
I will go investigate this new information. Be back soon.
Where did I say that?
This explains soldier numbers
On May 30, 1861, Brig. Gen. George B. McClellan in Cincinnati wrote to President Lincoln: "I am confidently assured that very considerable numbers of volunteers can be raised in Western Virginia...".[11] After nearly two months in the field in West Virginia he was less optimistic. He wrote to Gov. Francis Harrison Pierpont of the Restored Government of Virginia in Wheeling that he and his army were anxious to assist the new government, but that eventually they would be needed elsewhere, and that he urged that troops be raised "among the population". "Before I left Grafton I made requisitions for arms clothing etc for 10,000 Virginia troops – I fear that my estimate was much too large."[12] On August 3, 1861, the Wellsburg "Herald" editorialized "A pretty condition Northwestern Virginia is in to establish herself as a separate state...after all the drumming and all the gas about a separate state she has actually organized in the field four not entire regiments of soldiers and one of these hails almost entirely from the Panhandle."[13]
Similar difficulties were experienced by Confederate authorities at the beginning of the war. On May 14, 1861, Col. George A. Porterfield arrived in Grafton to secure volunteers, and reported slow enlistment. Col. Porterfield's difficulty ultimately, however, was lack of support by the Richmond government, which did not send enough guns, tents and other supplies. He eventually turned away hundreds of volunteers due to lack of equipment.[14] Gen. Henry A. Wise also complained of recruitment in the Kanawha valley, though he eventually assembled 2,500 infantry, 700 cavalry, three battalions of artillery for a total of 4,000 men which became known as "Wise's Legion".[15] One regiment from the Wise legion, the 3rd Infantry (later reorganized as the 60th Virginia Infantry) was sent to South Carolina in 1862, and it was from Maj. Thomas Broun of the 3rd Infantry that Gen. Robert E. Lee bought his famous horse Traveller.
In April 1862 the Confederate government instituted a military draft,[16] and nearly a year later the U.S. government did the same. The Confederate draft was not generally effective in West Virginia due to the breakdown of Virginia state government in the western counties and Union occupation of the northern counties, although conscription did occur in the southern counties. In the southern and eastern counties of West Virginia Confederate recruitment continued at least until the beginning of 1865.[17]
The Wheeling government asked for an exemption to the Federal draft, saying that they had exceeded their quota under previous calls.[18] An exemption was granted for 1864, but in 1865 a new demand was made for troops, which Gov. Boreman struggled to fill. In some counties, ex-Confederates suddenly found themselves enrolled in the U.S. Army.[19]
The loyalty of some Federal troops had been questioned early in the war. The rapid conquest of northern West Virginia had caught a number of Southern sympathizers behind Union lines. A series of letters to Gen. Samuels and Gov. Pierpoint in the Dept. of Archives and History in Charleston, most dated 1862, reveal the concern of Union officers. Col. Harris, 10th Company, March 27, 1862, to Gov. Pierpoint: "The election of officers in the Gilmer County Company was a farce. The men elected were rebels and bushwhackers. The election of these men was intended, no doubt, as a burlesque on the reorganization of the militia."[20]
There has never been an official count of Confederate service in West Virginia. Early estimates were very low, in 1901 historians Fast & Maxwell placed the figure at about 7,000.[21] An exception to the low estimates is found in Why The Solid South?, whose authors believed the Confederate numbers exceeded Union numbers.[22] In subsequent histories the estimates rose, Otis K. Rice placed the number at 10,000-12,000.[23] Richard O. Curry in 1964 placed the figure at 15,000.[24] The first detailed study of Confederate soldiery estimates the number at 18,000,[25] which is close to the 18,642 figure stated by the Confederate Dept. of Western Virginia in 1864.[26] In 1989 a study by James Carter Linger estimated the number at nearly 22,000.[27]
The official number of Union soldiers from West Virginia is 31,884 as stated by the Provost Marshal General of the United States.[28] These numbers include, however, re-enlistment figures[29] as well as out-of-state soldiers who enlisted in West Virginia regiments. In 1905 Charles H. Ambler estimated the number of native Union soldiers to be about 20,000.[30]
Richard Current estimated native Union numbers at 29,000.[31] In his calculations, however, he only allowed for a deduction of 2,000 out-of-state soldiers in West Virginia regiments. Ohio contributed nearly 5,000,[32] and with the deduction of Pennsylvania and other state's volunteers that estimate is reduced considerably.
The West Virginia Dept. of Archives and History believes that Confederate and Union numbers were about equal[33][34] though they give no specific numbers. The George Tyler Moore Center in Shepherdstown estimates the Union numbers to be 22,000-25,000
On May 30, 1861, Brig. Gen. George B. McClellan in Cincinnati wrote to President Lincoln: "I am confidently assured that very considerable numbers of volunteers can be raised in Western Virginia...".[11] After nearly two months in the field in West Virginia he was less optimistic. He wrote to Gov. Francis Harrison Pierpont of the Restored Government of Virginia in Wheeling that he and his army were anxious to assist the new government, but that eventually they would be needed elsewhere, and that he urged that troops be raised "among the population". "Before I left Grafton I made requisitions for arms clothing etc for 10,000 Virginia troops – I fear that my estimate was much too large."[12] On August 3, 1861, the Wellsburg "Herald" editorialized "A pretty condition Northwestern Virginia is in to establish herself as a separate state...after all the drumming and all the gas about a separate state she has actually organized in the field four not entire regiments of soldiers and one of these hails almost entirely from the Panhandle."[13]
Similar difficulties were experienced by Confederate authorities at the beginning of the war. On May 14, 1861, Col. George A. Porterfield arrived in Grafton to secure volunteers, and reported slow enlistment. Col. Porterfield's difficulty ultimately, however, was lack of support by the Richmond government, which did not send enough guns, tents and other supplies. He eventually turned away hundreds of volunteers due to lack of equipment.[14] Gen. Henry A. Wise also complained of recruitment in the Kanawha valley, though he eventually assembled 2,500 infantry, 700 cavalry, three battalions of artillery for a total of 4,000 men which became known as "Wise's Legion".[15] One regiment from the Wise legion, the 3rd Infantry (later reorganized as the 60th Virginia Infantry) was sent to South Carolina in 1862, and it was from Maj. Thomas Broun of the 3rd Infantry that Gen. Robert E. Lee bought his famous horse Traveller.
In April 1862 the Confederate government instituted a military draft,[16] and nearly a year later the U.S. government did the same. The Confederate draft was not generally effective in West Virginia due to the breakdown of Virginia state government in the western counties and Union occupation of the northern counties, although conscription did occur in the southern counties. In the southern and eastern counties of West Virginia Confederate recruitment continued at least until the beginning of 1865.[17]
The Wheeling government asked for an exemption to the Federal draft, saying that they had exceeded their quota under previous calls.[18] An exemption was granted for 1864, but in 1865 a new demand was made for troops, which Gov. Boreman struggled to fill. In some counties, ex-Confederates suddenly found themselves enrolled in the U.S. Army.[19]
The loyalty of some Federal troops had been questioned early in the war. The rapid conquest of northern West Virginia had caught a number of Southern sympathizers behind Union lines. A series of letters to Gen. Samuels and Gov. Pierpoint in the Dept. of Archives and History in Charleston, most dated 1862, reveal the concern of Union officers. Col. Harris, 10th Company, March 27, 1862, to Gov. Pierpoint: "The election of officers in the Gilmer County Company was a farce. The men elected were rebels and bushwhackers. The election of these men was intended, no doubt, as a burlesque on the reorganization of the militia."[20]
There has never been an official count of Confederate service in West Virginia. Early estimates were very low, in 1901 historians Fast & Maxwell placed the figure at about 7,000.[21] An exception to the low estimates is found in Why The Solid South?, whose authors believed the Confederate numbers exceeded Union numbers.[22] In subsequent histories the estimates rose, Otis K. Rice placed the number at 10,000-12,000.[23] Richard O. Curry in 1964 placed the figure at 15,000.[24] The first detailed study of Confederate soldiery estimates the number at 18,000,[25] which is close to the 18,642 figure stated by the Confederate Dept. of Western Virginia in 1864.[26] In 1989 a study by James Carter Linger estimated the number at nearly 22,000.[27]
The official number of Union soldiers from West Virginia is 31,884 as stated by the Provost Marshal General of the United States.[28] These numbers include, however, re-enlistment figures[29] as well as out-of-state soldiers who enlisted in West Virginia regiments. In 1905 Charles H. Ambler estimated the number of native Union soldiers to be about 20,000.[30]
Richard Current estimated native Union numbers at 29,000.[31] In his calculations, however, he only allowed for a deduction of 2,000 out-of-state soldiers in West Virginia regiments. Ohio contributed nearly 5,000,[32] and with the deduction of Pennsylvania and other state's volunteers that estimate is reduced considerably.
The West Virginia Dept. of Archives and History believes that Confederate and Union numbers were about equal[33][34] though they give no specific numbers. The George Tyler Moore Center in Shepherdstown estimates the Union numbers to be 22,000-25,000
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I would like to see WV in the SEC even though you screwed up and chose the wrong side back in 1860. If it was up to me, I would take WV before Mo.
We had a huge conversation about this on our board. Most WVians consider themselves southerners. The problem in 1863 was that all the power in the state was in Wheeling. When the vote came to decide what side to choose, some counties didn't even return any votes. Most of these counties were rural southern counties that definitely would have sided with the south. Soldiers were split right about 50/50 for union vs confederacy and that's mainly due to the union draft. All the history books say is that we were officially part of the union. They don't state the real facts
re: WVU belongs in the SEC
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 11:39 am to DubVforSEC
Pretty sure DubV is a troll with no WV ties
re: WVU showing they deserve an SEC bid with their quality
Posted by 304eer on 10/9/11 at 10:59 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Um, they would not compete because they don't play defense.
Never go full retard
43-16. Their only TD was a pick 6 thrown by our backup qb in the 4th quarter
Epic thread fail
Epic thread fail
A lot of rumors coming out of a lot of different sources saying that tomorrows big east meeting is basically the end of the conference.
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But yeah, if we let WVU in to the SEC, I'll watch on TV from now on. I was told by one of their fans that we had the most visiting fans they'd seen in a decade. Now I know why.
Auburn definitely brought more
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Yes, apparently the only real criteria is TV market. Maybe academic standing. Im basing this off of a consensus of the speculation i've seen on this board. Winning tradition, large filled stadiums, and sizable rabid fanbase doesn't seem to be of any concern.
Well if they actually look at TV ratings and not just the city you're in or near, then WVU qualifies. Add into that the fact that we're one of the few profit generating football programs in the country and sit #15 in merchandise sales and I think we fit in.
Academic standing is the problem. WVU is not traditionally viewed as a strong academic institution although we have some great programs. Not too mention our new president's 2020 plan to raise standards and greatly improve academics here in general
And whether SEC or not, WVU is not and should not be left out of all of this
re: Condon asking for donations to hire PI to find attackers in WVU incident
Posted by 304eer on 9/27/11 at 8:39 pm to SnogsDontPay4Pizza
CHARLESTON, W.Va. - The wife of a Pennsylvania man attacked after Saturday's football game in Morgantown says the assault was random and had nothing to do with a school rivalry.
Police say Marcus Mason, 30, of Canonsburg, Pa., was pulled from his car in bumper-to-bumper traffic and beaten by a group of white males.
Police say Marcus Mason, 30, of Canonsburg, Pa., was pulled from his car in bumper-to-bumper traffic and beaten by a group of white males.
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