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Kinetic_Response
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re: The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles.
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 3:10 pm to Rebel
I think you are conflating two distinct issues.
The Commission exchange related to "possession offenders who not pedophiles." That category would include the (odd) "technology" collector that is discussed in the excerpts that I have seen, who is not motivated "at all" by sexual gratification. It would also include possession offenders who collect images of older minors, even if collected for sexual gratification (the 17yo example).
The broader sentencing discussion (and her tendency to impose sentences on the low end of the spectrum in many cases) is distinct in many ways from the narrow topic discussed at that 2003 hearing.
The Commission exchange related to "possession offenders who not pedophiles." That category would include the (odd) "technology" collector that is discussed in the excerpts that I have seen, who is not motivated "at all" by sexual gratification. It would also include possession offenders who collect images of older minors, even if collected for sexual gratification (the 17yo example).
The broader sentencing discussion (and her tendency to impose sentences on the low end of the spectrum in many cases) is distinct in many ways from the narrow topic discussed at that 2003 hearing.
re: The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles.
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 3:03 pm to Spawn
quote:I do not know exactly what images he is accused of sharing or whether he actually did so. But my analysis applies to him in exactly the same way that it would apply to anyone else. If he was sharing images of near-adults, I see it as less-serious than the abuse of small children.
So how much time should Hunter Biden get for sharing videos of under age women on Pronhub ?
Absolutists seem to see the matter differently. "Sin is sin." I'm not hurling perjoratives at them from seeing the matter that way. I just disagree.
re: The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles.
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:59 pm to Rebel
quote:Usually true. But is "5 years" a reasonable sentence for that handful of images of a 17yo? That is the topic which been under discussion for at least a decade now.
to your point the guy possessing a few porn images of 17 year old gets the minimum
quote:Isn't it?
But the scenarios you are describing are not the scenarios KJB is being asked about.
That exchange before the Sentencing Commission related to possession offenders who are not "pedophiles," which is defined as persons sexually-attracted to pre-pubescent children. And she is being criticized for suggesting that lighter sentences for those offenders (versus abusers of pre-pubescent children) might be appropriate.
Look, she would not be my nominee. Scalia is my favorite Justice during my lifetime, and I would love to see SCOTUS populated by 9 textualists. But the Dems control the WH and the Senate. The nominee is not going to be a textualist, an originalist or a strict constructionist.
I just think that a nominee should be evaluated based upon her actual positions, rather than lunatic caricatures of those positions. I am sorry, but the response that "Dems were unfair to Kav and Thomas" just does not justify the disingenuous attacks, IMO.
And I make no apology for that perspective.
re: The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles.
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:49 pm to FredBear
quote:If that is what you take from my posts, there is obviously nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
FredBear
Personally, I think you and the downvote posse are just virtue-signaling and that (deep down) you understand that.
re: The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles.
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:43 pm to Rebel
quote:Do I see it as wrong for an adult man to have (even voluntary) sexual intercourse with a 17yo? Yes.
Did you defend Matt Gaetz as feverishly when HHTM was accusing him of having sex with a 17 year old?
Do I see it as "less wrong" than raping a 5-year-old child? Also, yes.
Candidly, I did not find the Gaetz brouhaha very interesting. I do not recall ever discussing it with anyone, one way or the other.
re: The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles.
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:40 pm to roadGator
quote:18 U.S.C. Sec. 2252(b)(1) among others.
What law?
Is it wrong to have a few images of a 17-year-old on your hard drive? Yes. Should you be punished? Yes.
But it is also a "wrong" in a completely-different quantum from possessing hundreds or thousands of images depicting the abuse of pre-pubescent children, IMO.
A fair number of posters seem to disagree and see both offenses as having equal culpability. Such is life.
re: Jamaicans shun Prince William and Duchess Kate visit, demand slavery reparations
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:33 pm to Night Vision
quote:No.
Didn't one of Kamala's relatives own the largest slave planation in Jamaica?
She is descended in part from a slaveowner who was slipping out to the quarters at night and farking the female slaves ... just like about 95% of the Blacks in America. And his place was not remotely the largest plantation in Jamaica.
re: The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles.
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:30 pm to Rebel
quote:If you email even one porn image of a minor to a friend, you are facing a minimum 5-year sentence.
The dems (Dick Durban) are now on the record defending light sentences for pedophiles
That might even sound reasonable, because the first thing that you think of is pre-pubescent children forced to participate in creating those images by despicable people.
But that mandatory minimum also applies to a 17-year-old subject who lies about her age to get a modeling gig and who you had no reason to know was 17, rather than 20 years of age.
Is it inherently unreasonable to ask whether the same sentence should apply to (i) a guy who shares a single image of a voluntary participant who appears to be an adult and (ii) a sicko who has 20gig of photos depicting the involuntary abuse of 5- and 6-year-olds?
Under current law, same mandatory minimum applies to both.
re: Judge Jackson needs to withdraw from name from consideration
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:20 pm to Smokeyone
quote:How much time would YOU spend "preparing" for an exam on which you know in advance that you will be given a passing score?
Not very prepared
re: Jamaicans shun Prince William and Duchess Kate visit, demand slavery reparations
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:05 pm to bizeagle
quote:Say what?
Kamala's grandfather was an India born a plantation owner on Jamaica where he owned a bunch of African slaves
One of her 7x-great grandfathers on the paternal side was a Scotsman who owned a plantation in Jamaica in the early 1800s and who was apparently spending some evenings with the gals in the quarters.
Her mother's family is from India, and I am aware of no claims that they owned any slaves ... in Jamaica or anywhere else.
re: Jamaicans shun Prince William and Duchess Kate visit, demand slavery reparations
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 2:00 pm to Jimmy2shoes
quote:How did a woman born in the 20th Century "perpetuate" an institution that was discarded in the 19th?
We see no reason to celebrate 70 years of the ascension of (Queen Elizabeth II) because her leadership ... perpetuated the greatest human rights tragedy (human chattel slavery) in the history of humankind
re: NAMBLA and pedophiles are creaming in their pants over all this teach kids to be gay.....
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 1:46 pm to rltiger
Disingenuous arguments are annoying, and the Leftist argument on the "Don't Say Gay" bill is utterly disingenuous.
The bill is totally neutral as to sexual orientation. It simply bans curriculum elements addressing "sexual orientation or gender identity" of ANY type ... for very young students.
The bill is totally neutral as to sexual orientation. It simply bans curriculum elements addressing "sexual orientation or gender identity" of ANY type ... for very young students.
re: SCOTUS Nominee doesn't remember basis of Dred Scott
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 1:31 pm to Jake88
quote:Setting aside the 14th Amendment issue, exactly what question was she asked? Was she asked for the broad ruling or for details of the analysis?
Isn't that decision discussed in grammar school, high school, college and law school? Isn't it referenced constantly in social justice issues? Isn't it considered the worst holding from The Supreme Court in its history?
How can she not know that?
I would say that about 10% (or less) of the population could tell you the most basic nature of the ruling (that Blacks were disqualified from US citizenship). Probably 80% of lawyers could tell you that much.
But how many could (without reviewing the opinion) discuss the details of the analysis that led CJ Taney to reach the conclusion that he reached?
On a quick review, I tend to disagree with the Senator that the decision's foundation lay in "due process."
quote:It is true that Taney addressed the taking of property without due process under the 5th Amendment, but I see that part of the reported opinion as being dicta aimed at the Missouri Compromise in general, rather than Scott's case in particular.
We think ... that [black people] are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word "citizens" in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States. On the contrary, they were at that time [of America's founding] considered as a subordinate and inferior class of beings who had been subjugated by the dominant race, and, whether emancipated or not, yet remained subject to their authority, and had no rights or privileges but such as those who held the power and the Government might choose to grant them.
It is fair to ask whether KBJ's "unique background" led her automatically to interpret the "due process" comment as a reference to the 14th, rather than the 5th ... and whether jumping to such conclusions is a "good thing."
re: How will our Rinos like HHTM sleep knowing this justice is on bench
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 1:03 pm to Azkiger
Say you were a red-blooded American male in 1984 or 1985 and bought a Traci Lords video, believing her to be the hot 20-something that she appeared to be.
( Non-nude 1984 images of Miss Lords removed to avoid ban for posting "kiddie porn.")
In 1986, you learn that she used a fake birth certificate to land her roles and made those films beginning at age 15.
If you owned that tape, you were a child porn offender. Were you a pedophile? (I would hardly classify 1984 Traci Lords as "pre-pubescent.")
Should your sentencing be as harsh as that of a sicko who collected porn videos of pre-pubescent children?
( Non-nude 1984 images of Miss Lords removed to avoid ban for posting "kiddie porn.")
In 1986, you learn that she used a fake birth certificate to land her roles and made those films beginning at age 15.
If you owned that tape, you were a child porn offender. Were you a pedophile? (I would hardly classify 1984 Traci Lords as "pre-pubescent.")
Should your sentencing be as harsh as that of a sicko who collected porn videos of pre-pubescent children?
re: SCOTUS Nominee doesn't remember basis of Dred Scott
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 12:57 pm to IT_Dawg
It would have been difficult for the Dred Scott decision to have been based upon the 14th amendment.
Calendars and all that.
Calendars and all that.
re: Yale Law professor warns that future rule of law in US will be dictated by popular opinion
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 12:45 pm to DingLeeBerry
quote:Few people want real “free speech.”
she was criticized for trying to calm a woke mob of students who tried to close down a free speech debate.
Most want freedom for only the speech with which they are in agreement
re: Lindsey Graham Throws Tantrum. Storms Out Of SCOTUS Nominee Ketanji Jackson Hearing
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 12:42 pm to 14&Counting
Around here, we call that a “hissy fit.”
re: How will our Rinos like HHTM sleep knowing this justice is on bench
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 12:40 pm to roadGator
quote:Thanks.
roadGator
From what I’ve seen, you are one of the few here with a sense of humor.
re: How will our Rinos like HHTM sleep knowing this justice is on bench
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 12:22 pm to roadGator
quote:
Why the hyphen?
I like hyphens.
re: How will our Rinos like HHTM sleep knowing this justice is on bench
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/22/22 at 6:48 am to Jjdoc
Sentencing Commission hearing
Witness from DoJ:
“Not all child porn violators are pedophiles. Some have other motivations.”
KBJ:
“Really? I did not know that. Please tell me more ….”
KBJ opponents a decade later:
Reeeeeee
There are lots of reasons to criticize this woman’s politics. This exchange just is not one of them. Sorry.
Witness from DoJ:
“Not all child porn violators are pedophiles. Some have other motivations.”
KBJ:
“Really? I did not know that. Please tell me more ….”
KBJ opponents a decade later:
Reeeeeee
There are lots of reasons to criticize this woman’s politics. This exchange just is not one of them. Sorry.
re: How will our Rinos like HHTM sleep knowing this justice is on bench
Posted by Kinetic_Response on 3/21/22 at 10:38 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:What an oddly-pugnacious comment.
After what you filth did to Bork, Thomas, Kavanaugh and Barrett, you can just shut the frick up forever.
I supported all four of those nominations.
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