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re: When will the third temple be rebuilt?
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:40 pm to Numberwang
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:40 pm to Numberwang
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Your beliefs are a minority of Christians worldwide
They seem to be the majority on Google.
Got Questions is a good website that cites everything and lets you decide your stance with all the info provided from both sides of most biblical debate topics.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:42 pm to Gaggle
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The Antichrist has already risen and ruled for many decades.
Who did the whole world worship for 3.5 years? What happened after year 7? What event was it?
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:49 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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Or Matthew 24:15?
Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand).
See verse 34 of the same chapter in Matthew:
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Are you going to tell me that there are people from the first century who are still living upon the earth? It's quite clear that He is speaking regarding things that will occur within the lifetime of the apostles. Much of what is foretold in Matt 24 is the coming destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman empire. The temple was indeed destroyed utterly in AD 69-70 and matches exactly as foretold and described by Christ here.
Prophecies in the book of Daniel deal with Babylon, the Medes, and the Persians. The great statue of iron and clay depicts Rome and its diverse population which did not mix and eventually led to its ultimate demise.
A study of scripture using its own terms and colloquialisms to aid in understanding the meaning of prophecies proves more accurate and less sensational than reading it like a book penned by Nostradamus.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:03 pm to Numberwang
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For the scofielders who are misled
Thanks for that. I could never understand why God put Satan in chains and then release him one more time. Why would He do this. I wish I had more info to read on this
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:03 pm to Swamp Angel
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Are you going to tell me that there are people from the first century who are still living upon the earth? It's quite clear that He is speaking regarding things that will occur within the lifetime of the apostles.
No they aren't still living. Christ is asked about his return and the end of the age of man. That's why he explains things that happen much further in the future. Israel didn't exist for 2000 years. How did Christ reign over Israel for 1000 years if it didn't even exist?
Matthew 24:3
And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the [b]end of the age?”
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:04 pm to tenderfoot tigah
I don't know. I don't think it has to fit whatever exact interpretation you have. Maybe I should've said Satan instead of the Antichrist.
What I know is that untold millions of Christians were slaughtered and Christendom has been almost entirely destroyed, most of its remnants entirely subverted and in service to a one world government that's ruled by and headquartered in a "country" with a 666 symbol.
What I know is that untold millions of Christians were slaughtered and Christendom has been almost entirely destroyed, most of its remnants entirely subverted and in service to a one world government that's ruled by and headquartered in a "country" with a 666 symbol.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:14 pm to Gaggle
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What I know is that untold millions of Christians were slaughtered and Christendom has been almost entirely destroyed, most of its remnants entirely subverted and in service to a one world government that's ruled by and headquartered in a "country" with a 666 symbol.
We haven't seen the one world government just yet, but it's coming. The League of Nations, now the United Nations is powerless. We see this with Russia and Ukraine right now. In the future, it will be so powerful that you won't be able to buy, sell, or trade unless they allow it. As a side note, that leads me to believe there will be a international digital currency of some type. A type of Bitcoin.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:20 pm to tenderfoot tigah
And again, you stop reading before reaching verse 34. One much "rightly divide the word", not divide it into unrelated tid-bits so as to make it fit a given narrative. Stay in context.
Also, understand the language being used. When Christ was asked about how many times a person should forgive a brother that had wronged him, the person asking said, "Seven times?"
Christ's answer was, "Seventy times seven!"
Does that mean that Christ says we should forgive someone up to 490 times and then we can pummel them?
You're putting things into the mix that aren't there and ignoring a few key items that are there.
Also, understand the language being used. When Christ was asked about how many times a person should forgive a brother that had wronged him, the person asking said, "Seven times?"
Christ's answer was, "Seventy times seven!"
Does that mean that Christ says we should forgive someone up to 490 times and then we can pummel them?
You're putting things into the mix that aren't there and ignoring a few key items that are there.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:21 pm to tenderfoot tigah
We were talking about it earlier; the red heifer isn't perfect just yet. 99.9% red is the best they have thus far. Great start though imo. The temple institute gallery is pretty cool. It shows all of the stuff that's already done for the temple.
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This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:25 pm to Swamp Angel
Where is everyone in their glorified bodies if this is the 1000 year reign? It's not even possible for this to be the 1000 year reign.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:58 pm to tenderfoot tigah
First, before there is any misunderstanding, the downvote is not from me.
I think you’re including things written by John in Revelation (which also largely points to the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome) in your admirable determination to come to a conclusion regarding the meaning of scripture.
We may disagree on things that are written. Let’s agree on these most important points. Christ is telling his apostles in Matthew 24 that there are hard times coming. Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs and their faith. But, as long as we remain faithful to Him we will be victorious in the end. John expounds upon that same idea in the book of Revelation. It’s not a book to strike fear and fill us with dread. It’s a book that foretells of the ultimate victory over sin and Satan, and how Christians will be victorious. It’s a book of comfort for the Christian.
Live faithfully to Christ and the worries of this world will prove meaningless and trifling.
I know your heart is in the right place. Continue to study with an open mind, and an open heart, praying for guidance in your studies. Knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
The scriptures will interpret themselves when studied and rightly divided. I know I certainly had to put away a lot of my biases and preconceived notions, and even yet, after decades, my understanding is not complete, nor will it be until my faith ceases and I know by sight in that final day that He is indeed Lord and King.
My prayers are with you in your studies, and I am open for discussion and correction where I may need it.
Peace be unto you.
I think you’re including things written by John in Revelation (which also largely points to the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome) in your admirable determination to come to a conclusion regarding the meaning of scripture.
We may disagree on things that are written. Let’s agree on these most important points. Christ is telling his apostles in Matthew 24 that there are hard times coming. Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs and their faith. But, as long as we remain faithful to Him we will be victorious in the end. John expounds upon that same idea in the book of Revelation. It’s not a book to strike fear and fill us with dread. It’s a book that foretells of the ultimate victory over sin and Satan, and how Christians will be victorious. It’s a book of comfort for the Christian.
Live faithfully to Christ and the worries of this world will prove meaningless and trifling.
I know your heart is in the right place. Continue to study with an open mind, and an open heart, praying for guidance in your studies. Knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
The scriptures will interpret themselves when studied and rightly divided. I know I certainly had to put away a lot of my biases and preconceived notions, and even yet, after decades, my understanding is not complete, nor will it be until my faith ceases and I know by sight in that final day that He is indeed Lord and King.
My prayers are with you in your studies, and I am open for discussion and correction where I may need it.
Peace be unto you.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 4:27 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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They seem to be the majority on Google.
Dispensationalism, as taught by the Scofield interpretations of scripture, is a minority belief held almost exclusively by Evangelicals, which today are mostly descended from the Dallas Theological Seminary.
I understand your beliefs better than you do. No catholics, orthodox, and even most protestants do not share the very recent (and heretical) Dispensationalist theology you are knee-deep in.
Evangelical dispensationalist theology is a doomsday philosophy, and I believe it's emergence is a large reason why Christianity has been mostly neutered on the world stage the past fifty years.
Not to mention its based on some very strange interpretations of scriptures, and outright changes to scripture in some cases.
Read up on it. It is what you believe. Understand where it comes from.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 4:43 pm to Numberwang
I am ejoying the debate guys. We don't get enough Christian conversation on TD.
Like Swamp Angel said, as long as our faith is in Christ, this doesn't really matter. It's just fun to discuss.
With that said, could you guys try to answer my questions over the past page or so? They form the basis of my argument.
Like Swamp Angel said, as long as our faith is in Christ, this doesn't really matter. It's just fun to discuss.
With that said, could you guys try to answer my questions over the past page or so? They form the basis of my argument.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 4:48 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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the red heifer isn't perfect just yet. 99.9% red is the best they have thus far. Great start though imo. The temple institute gallery is pretty cool. It shows all of the stuff that's already done for the temple.
You people are so odd with your fascination for Judaism. Why don’t you convert?
Posted on 3/13/22 at 5:10 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You people are so odd with your fascination for Judaism. Why don’t you convert?
It's not about fascination with Judiasm. You can't have a complete understanding of the death and resurrection of Christ without understanding the Old Testament first.
In this instance, it pertains to the fun topic of prophecy i.e. New Testament prophecy.
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