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re: Trump: on Iran "Two very simple words, unconditional surrender."
Posted on 6/18/25 at 2:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 6/18/25 at 2:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Ukraine gave up their nukes and we see what happened...
Yes, however to be 100% honest those nukes were completely useless to Ukraine and that's the only reason they did it.
They were just stored/fired there, they didn't have the resources to maintain them, develop more etc. That was all Russia basically.
But if they did have nukes they could have used, they wouldn't get invaded by Russia. If the CIA didn't overthrow their government in 2014 and they weren't pushing to join NATO, might not have gotten invaded either.
Hard to say, but a country would be foolish to give up their nukes. If I was an Israeli citizen, I'd be like frick you, not given them up. It's only the offensive stuff Israel is doing that I disagree with.
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 2:56 pm to GeauxBurrow312
Two very simple words ..bend over
Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:03 pm to 3down10
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I didn't deflect anything. I debunked all your justifications for preemptive war, which is never justified.
never? Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:16 pm to BBONDS25
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never?
Correct, you lose moral high ground and become the aggressor.
Furthermore, the threat of a surprise attack can happen from any country at any time in theory, and given how much we spend on military and otherwise, we should have developed ways to minimize any surprise attacks.
Are we going to have preemptive war against Russia because they can launch nukes at us at any point. Or do you think that maybe we have protective measures in place.
PS: The power in nukes is owning them, not using them.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:24 pm to 3down10
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Correct, you lose moral high ground and become the aggressor.
And?This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:44 pm to BBONDS25
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And?
You're the bad guy.
If you lack morals, that's not my problem.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:52 pm to 3down10
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You're the bad guy.
Its war, you pussy. quote:
If you lack morals, that's not my problem.
Is anything preemptive immoral, or just when it comes to military??
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:21 pm to BBONDS25
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Its war, you pussy.
Right, because nothing says you're a man like volunteering other people to fight your battles for you.
In the end, you're obviously fine with human sacrifice because you are scared you might actually be affected otherwise.
Like I said, if you lack morals, that's not my problem.
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Is anything preemptive immoral, or just when it comes to military??
I don't know, I guess I've just for some reason put more time into thinking about it when people are being murdered in large numbers.
Do you have one other than military that you think so? I would guess that anything that is aggressive is generally wrong.
I wouldn't want to send people over to a Vietnam situation where you can't fire unless fired upon. Although I wouldn't send them there to start with to put them in that situation.
Military is for defense, not invading other countries that don't do what we want.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:24 pm to 3down10
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Right, because nothing says you're a man like volunteering other people to fight your battles for you.
if you think the only allowable strategy in war is reactive, you’re an absolute moron. It has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with strategy. quote:
In the end, you're obviously fine with human sacrifice because you are scared you might actually be affected otherwise. Like I said, if you lack morals, that's not my problem.
What if. being reactive costs more lives that you feign to be so worried about? You aren’t smart enough to be able to presume what I or anyone else am OK with.
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don't know,
We know.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:50 pm to BBONDS25
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if you think the only allowable strategy in war is reactive, you’re an absolute moron. It has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with strategy.
We are not "in war" with Iran. Preemptive war vs preemptive strike. Preemptive war means starting a war.
And as far as "in war" strategy goes, your strategy should be to know what your enemy is doing and have a counterstrike planned. It's not much different than say a boxer, you don't want to punch when their arms are in a defensive position, you want to counter strike when they punch.
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What if. being reactive costs more lives that you feign to be so worried about? You aren’t smart enough to be able to presume what I or anyone else am OK with.
What if means you don't know, you're just trying to influence people based on fear. And then you'll turn around and pretend that fear makes you a tough guy as part of the compensation to hide that fear.
Freedom means you are free to donate your resources and/or life to these causes if you feel this strongly about it. But that's for some reason not enough, you need to force everyone else to also support your cause and you have no problem putting them in prison and/or killing them if they do not comply.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:35 pm to GeauxBurrow312
Don’t think he was referring to Iran!
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