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I want you to provide the links where it is proven that animals, especially males, engage in acts of homosexually not dominance.

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He was tall and white having turned from his gray/blue color in his racing years. And as gentile as can be.

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So you think gay people should not act on their sexual urges because thousands of years ago a few old jewish men wrote in a book that they'd go to Hell?

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We confirmed that homosexually displaying king penguin couples occurred commonly (over a quarter of displaying pairs) under wild conditions and more rarely become bonded (i.e., learned the vocal signature of a same-sexed partner). These observations support historical suggestions of same-sex display and pairing for penguins by Roberts (1940) and king penguins particularly by Gillespie (1932). While we examined a single penguin species, we suspect that observations of homosexual displays or other sexual activities are of broader occurrence, but seldom reported or otherwise considered anomalous or maladaptive. Of course, the lack of DNA sexing of individuals may have limited the confidence of identifying homosexual display in earlier studies.

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However, in July of 2009, an alleged homosexual penguin in a California zoo was debunked. Peter LaBarbera reported:

San Francisco’s Fox affiliate KTVU reports: “The San Francisco Zoo’s popular same-sex penguin couple has broken up.

“Male Magellan penguins Harry and Pepper have been together since 2003. The pair nested together and even incubated an egg laid by another penguin in 2008, but their relationship hit the rocks earlier this year when a female penguin, Linda, befriended Harry after her long-time companion died.

“Zookeepers say Harry and Linda are happy and were able to successfully nest this year,” reported KTVU.

But not everyone is celebrating Harry and Linda’s newfound love. Some believe there can be no such a thing as an “ex-gay” penguin. Upon news of Harry’s decision to fly the same-sex-coop, outspoken pro-homosexual activist and anti-ex-gay crusader Wayne Besen cried fowl:

“Attempts to change sexual orientation are patently offensive, discriminatory by definition, theologically shaky, uniformly unsuccessful and medically unsound!” exclaimed a visibly angry Besen. “There is no ‘ex-gay’ sexual orientation. Harry is simply in denial. He’s living what I call the ‘big lie.’”[11]

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-- Animals Lack the Means to Express Their Affective States

To stimuli and clashing instincts, however, we must add another factor: In expressing its affective states, an animal is radically inferior to man.

Since animals lack reason, their means of expressing their affective states (fear, pleasure, pain, desire, etc.) are limited. Animals lack the rich resources at man's disposal to express his sentiments. Man can adapt his way of talking, writing, gazing, gesturing in untold ways. Animals cannot. Consequently, animals often express their affective states ambiguously. They "borrow," so to speak, the manifestations of the instinct of reproduction to manifest the instincts of dominance, aggressiveness, fear, gregariousness and so on.

-- Explaining Seemingly "Homosexual" Animal Behavior

Bonobos are a typical example of this "borrowing." These primates from the chimpanzee family engage in seemingly sexual behavior to express acceptance and other affective states. Thus, Frans B. M. de Waal, who spent hundreds of hours observing and filming bonobos, says:

There are two reasons to believe sexual activity is the bonobo's answer to avoiding conflict.

First, anything, not just food, that arouses the interest of more than one bonobo at a time tends to result in sexual contact. If two bonobos approach a cardboard box thrown into their enclosure, they will briefly mount each other before playing with the box. Such situations lead to squabbles in most other species. But bonobos are quite tolerant, perhaps because they use sex to divert attention and to diffuse tension.

Second, bonobo sex often occurs in aggressive contexts totally unrelated to food. A jealous male might chase another away from a female, after which the two males reunite and engage in scrotal rubbing. Or after a female hits a juvenile, the latter's mother may lunge at the aggressor, an action that is immediately followed by genital rubbing between the two adults.[7]

Like bonobos, other animals will mount another of the same sex and engage in seemingly "homosexual" behavior, although their motivation may differ. Dogs, for example, usually do so to express dominance. Cesar Ades, ethologist and professor of psychology at the University of S?o Paulo, Brazil, explains, "When two males mate, what is present is a demonstration of power, not sex."[8]

Jacque Lynn Schultz, ASPCA Animal Sciences Director of Special Projects, explains further:

Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason.[9]

Dogs will also mount one another because of the vehemence of their purely chemical reaction to the smell of an estrus female:

Not surprisingly, the smell of a female dog in heat can instigate a frenzy of mounting behaviors. Even other females who are not in heat will mount those who are. Males will mount males who have just been with estrus females if they still bear their scent.... And males who catch wind of the estrus odor may mount the first thing (or unlucky person) they come into contact with.[10]

Other animals engage in seemingly "homosexual" behavior because they fail to identify the other sex properly. The lower the species in the animal kingdom, the more tenuous and difficult to detect are the differences between sexes, leading to more frequent confusion.

-- "Homosexual" Animals Do Not Exist

In 1996, homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admitted that the evidence pointed to isolated acts, not to homosexuality:

Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.[11]

Despite the "homosexual" appearances of some animal behavior, this behavior does not stem from a "homosexual" instinct that is part of animal nature. Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain, explains:

Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.[12]

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For starters:

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why not just men?

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why do you hate the jews?

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DawgfaninCa is a simpleton poster on this board and he argues in circles like the old dinosaur he is that can't understand today's times. He's fun in prostitution legalization threads with his bizarre logic of why it shouldn't be legal.

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You have now supplemented your link to conservapedia with a link to NARTH quoting from "Why We Must Resist Same Sex "Marriage" and the Homosexual Movement." It purports to refute my links establishing non-dominance homosexual behavior in sheep, gorillas, and penguins, by stating that bonobos and dogs (two examples I didn't discuss) are actually showing dominance, and then saying that sexual orientation isn't present (which wasn't the argument you originally propounded and is also disproven by the sheep example).

If you want to change the argument, that's fine, but you should be explicit about saying so. You asked for "male acts of homosexuality that isn't dominance." I've given it to you. You're answering it with tenuous, clearly biased editorials rather than primary literature that isn't even on-topic because I'm not making arguments about dog mounting. Sure, some animal homosexuality is dominance. The examples I cited clearly aren't.

Half the cites in the NARTH editorial are 404s, and the others are to books. You'll pardon me for not assuming they're quoting in good faith and in context.

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EDIT: One of the (ancient, probably long since reclaimed by Chinese botnets) URLs just tried to hijack my browser. That's what I get for debating in good faith with an old...

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