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re: The Saudis killed a Saudi.....WHO CARES?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:36 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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The main difference between the explicitly political Islam practiced in the KSA (where there is a saying that the Koran is the constitution) and MB, on an ideological level, is that MB nominally supports democracy.
Given Khashoggi's writing, he was most likely a royalist who was essentially on the wrong side. You don't get positions like he did without having some powerful allies. None of his writing supports the idea that he was an active member of MB.
I agree that there is little to no evidence that supports he was an active member. Both you and the sources I've read indicate that he was still indeed a supporter of the MB, mostly of their democratic views albeit.
I would like your opinion on these:
Would the MB support democracy if a MB member was not elected?
As Americans mostly view the MB as a terrorist organization, is his sympathy not relevant to the discussion as it pertains to American involvement?
There are ways to support democracy without also supporting groups that have been known to engage in terrorism.
I always appreciate your knowledgeable, in-depth posts.
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Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:46 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Would the MB support democracy if a MB member was not elected?
The Brotherhood believe this is their best path to taking power.
Democracy is generally an anathema to devout Muslims, because it entails dividing the faithful into factions. It’s both a theological issue, Islam is about unity, and it’s a historical one, harking back to Mohamed’s exile, and how divisions within his camp left him weak.
For the brothers, it’s a path to power, which makes it acceptable.
Democracy is a bad idea in the Middle East because the local cultures hold zero sum views. They believe every conflict has a winner and loser, and they do not believe in win win scenarios.
This makes Democracy impossible.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:55 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Would the MB support democracy if a MB member was not elected?
It depends. The only place where they got to showcase that desire was in Egypt after the revolution. The Islam-centered Egyptian constitution still had term limits, which indicated that MB was still interested in democracy. There was a lot of ambiguity in the rest of the document, which caused the constitutional crisis in 2013 in earnest. And I mentioned MB is nominally interested in democracy, mainly because their other ventures have failed. MB also claim to have turned away from violence and terrorism, and Morsi acted against Islamists in the Sinai during his brief tenure.
The move by MB towards democracy means they are relatively more progressive than the KSA, which still relies on royal power structures. Khashoggi's relationship with Prince Turki bin Faisal al-Saud complicates the notion that he was a member of MB.
My feeling is that Khashoggi wanted something like a democratic political Islam rather than an explicitly authoritarian political Islam. MB is the group most often associated with democratic political Islam, which might explain his association and interest. None of his columns for the WP seem to hint at any thing other than an alliance of convenience.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 11:01 pm to crazy4lsu
Good post
It’s worth mentioning that kingdoms are a heretical concept in Islam.
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The move by MB towards democracy means they are relatively more progressive than the KSA, which still relies on royal power structures.
It’s worth mentioning that kingdoms are a heretical concept in Islam.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 11:08 pm to Cruiserhog
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Cruiserhog
My sweet summer sky screamer
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:08 am to Wild Thang
Don't care about this SA guy, don't care about refugees, don't care about impoverished nations, dont care about the ME and Jews' skirmish over a strip of land the size of RI, don't care about human rights violations in shite hole countries like NK, hell I don't even care about US citizens on welfare and living in poverty.
Take care of your own GD business. The US does NOT have to get involved.
Take care of your own GD business. The US does NOT have to get involved.
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