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re: Question RE: ISIS

Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:06 pm to
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If so, why has the fact that only a few months ago there was a huge push to provide more support than we have been not been mentioned?


Bush's fault.

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This isn't directed at Obama or left. Obviously there was repubs (such as McCain) pushing for more support.


Sorry, McCain's fault.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
90861 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:14 pm to
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The main Sunni powers are Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Dubai, Quatar, ect. Basically, your Arab states.


Not completely inaccurate.

Of course, the Turks are Sunni as well (as are the Albanians, relatively solid U.S. allies, particularly in Kosovo).

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The main Shiite run countries are Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria.


WTF? You would have been a helluva lot better off if you'd said, "The main Sh'ia power is Iran, and they have influence in many areas."

Pakistan? Sunni. Afghanistan? Sunni. Syria? Majority Sunni with a secular, Ba'athist government. Iraq - a majority Sh'ia population, with an ostensibly multi-ethnic government - however, strongly influenced by Iran - so fair enough to include them.

Much of the conflict is ethnic versus religious (and religion is sometimes a proxy for ethnicity, thus complicating things further). The Turks DGAF about your brand of Islam, particularly if you're a Kurd and vice versa - there is and old world, almost prehistoric hate between those groups.
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:36 pm to
Sorry I disappeared after starting this thread, got caught up with work.

Wanted to thank those who came and tried to shed some more light on the topic. Y'all did a much better job than I can of explaining the cluster f*ck in the ME.

I would still like someone to do some further reporting RE: the amount of assistance that was given. Even if ISIS isn't the same faction we supplied training and weapons to, they are fighting together in Syria, and I would have to assume benefited in some form or fashion. I remember hearing that some of the more advanced shoulder fire systems had been provided with fingerprint locks, but Im sure that wasn't all we gave.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 2:39 pm
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