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re: Obamacare failure

Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:40 pm to
Yeah,

I also remember when He said he would be replacing the ACA with something much better in two weeks, many many years ago.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:54 pm to
Healthcare gets fixed with up-front pricing. Charging different rates to different people is a large part of the problem and should be illegal.

Healthcare gets fixed with more ownership (less reliance) on health insurance coverage.
Free market capitalism is non-existent when an insurance company is fully relied upon to pay all of the coverages. Who shops for Healthcare providers when they don't have a stake in making the payment.
Competition at the consumer level is required for the levers of capitalism to work. And they do work.

From a comparative position (pre-aca and post-aca), pre-existing conditions are the largest inflationary pressure on Healthcare costs.
Insurance plans that actually underwrite risk and insurance customers who have incentive to not let their coverages lapse (go uninsured until just before needing coverage) are 2 levers of capitalism that kept insurance costs down previously.
America won't agree on these issues because it means that choices have consequences (letting insurance lapse can be very punitive in the future).
Half of the country doesn't like negative consequences for poor decisions. That isn't changing. And because of that, no one is changing the current state of Healthcare and health insurance.
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:14 pm to
Health Care in the US is privately owned, this makes profiting off of people being sick.

Other countries realize this and have coverage for all.

Nobody should possibly go broke bc they can't afford medical bills.

Only in America, supposedly the richest, bestest. But look at the bombs we have.


Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:34 pm to
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Health Care in the US is privately owned, this makes profiting off of people being sick.


This is dishonest because it implies that there is no profit in single payer systems.

Even my property tax collector takes in a 2% margin (withholds from the schools that it is collected for) with zero risk in business operation.

There is always profit in some form to someone. Eliminating the private sector does not remove this component to pricing.
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Nobody should possibly go broke bc they can't afford medical bills.

Nobody likes what this literally means. It means that the patient controls the labor of the medical professionals. The patient controls the input cost, effectively removing free labor from the Healthcare professionals and system. Another word is indentured servitude.
Call it hyperbole all you want. But that is the literal definition of
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Nobody should possibly go broke bc they can't afford medical bills.


You should be smart enough to understand the 3 pillar rule.
There is affordable care.
Expanded care.
Quality care.

If we do healthcare correctly, we can accomplish 2 of the 3 above pillars. It is impossible to get all 3. And people will argue with one another to the ends of time as long as there is disagreement to which 2 are most important.
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:57 pm to
You aren't getting it, are you?

HC lobbies our elected officials against fixing it, CEO's make millions denying claims, etc.
Other countries do not, they are better at HC for all. It by choice nothing gets better than the Republican designed ACA.( by Romney)

Don is trying to bring down drug prices as they are higher here than other countries by squeezing the makers. You are all for that right? Makes sense?

He Could do the same if he wanted and said he would do. You like paying more for less i guess.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:45 pm to
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CEO's make millions denying claims, etc.


Which is it.
Is healthcare unlimited under obamacare?
Or is it not (like before obamacare, but we now pay for exponentially worse deductible and out if pocket limits?

You act like single payer just writes checks, too. You know that isn't the case. Care is rationed. And scarce due to Healthcare professional limitations (i.e. indentured servitude limitations on supply)
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Don is trying to bring down drug prices as they are higher here than other countries by squeezing the makers. You are all for that right? Makes sense?

Donald is trying to make the cost of the product the same for everyone. Exactly my very first remedy to solving healthcare.

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You like paying more for less i guess

The only people who like Obamacare are the democrats who would covid restrictions. It is team Blue or nothing.
I literally pay more for my current health insurance. My deductible has gone from $250 up to $4000. My out of pocket max has gone from $750 to $8000. Every visit to my doctor for a checkup includes a $70 to $250 bill for anything deemed preventative on top of my normal checkup.

Aca did nothing but frick the system up royally. And only team Blue smiles and pretends like this is better.
As I said, it is impossible to change the current system because the prior system had "negative consequences" to poor decisions (going uninsured requiring full medical underwriting prior to being approved for a new plan subject to new health conditions and new policy terms). Half of the country will never allow poor decision-making be punished.
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:52 pm to
Well, he said he could do it, he can't and won't.
He lied and never attempted to fix it, No Plan bc of politics and money. Greed

Explain then why All other developed countries do hc so much better than the US then.

Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:01 pm to
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Explain then why All other developed countries do hc so much better than the US then.


That is your opinion.

There is such a thing as "medical tourism".

Other countries flock to the United States for quality cancer care.
The United States flocks to other countries for voluntary procedures at cheaper costs (liposuctions, etc..)

How do you defend the statement that other countries are better?

And that doesn't address the lifestyle standards (disposable income for countries with single payer versus americans). Nor does it address political standards (Military spending the past 50 years by country).

Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:06 pm to
Nope, many Americans go to other countries for advanced medicine and cheaper prices.
Who cut cancer research in the US?

The real reason for no hc for all is defense spending is God.

The US spends more on defense than the next 9 countries combined, including Germany and China. Both can threaten the US if they wanted to.

Its a choice, and again the ACA was a republican idea tweaked by Obama and many Republicans like it when its called the ACA and not Obamacare
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:13 pm to
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The real reason for no hc for all is defense spending is God.



You realize that defense spending is less than Medicare spending. Right?

Oh. You didn't.

You realize that defense apendingnis less than medicaid spending. Right?

No!

Jesus, son. Stop with the talking point bullshite.

Aca was not a republican idea.
The state of massachusetts is not a conservative state. And state run health insurance is in no way similar to Aca even if there are similarities. You don't understand the role of States and Healthcare if you attempt to make that argument.
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:31 pm to
I'd rather have universal hc than aircraft carriers on vacation around the world for his whims with countries not threatening US.

Its a choice that the US doesn't provide that, and a shame.

If we had hc for all, many would leave the work force, including me. Thats the big reason corps and gov would rather keep it for profit
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:34 pm to
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I'd rather have universal hc than aircraft carriers on vacation around the world for his whims with countries not threatening US.



Other countries are upping their military spending. According to you, they must hate people.

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If we had hc for all, many would leave the work force, including me

Explain?
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:40 pm to
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I also remember when He said he would be replacing the ACA with something much better in two weeks, many many years ago.


And given the weather situation, how long is the line to pee on McCain's grave today?
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:44 pm to
Ain't got time for you bro.

Enjoy the fireworks in Iran, Venezuela, anywhere not America first and whatever HC you may have.
Posted by yakster
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:44 pm to
Good ain’t cheap and cheap ain’t good.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:50 pm to
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Enjoy the fireworks in Iran, Venezuela, anywhere not America first


The fireworks are meant to prevent a war with China v Taiwan.

Something that Biden failed to do with Russia v Ukraine.

Im sure you love the Chinese, but the Taiwanese are resistant for some reason.
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 4:02 pm to
I can't
Posted by PurpleCrush
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 6:31 pm to
Also,

Did you see the 2.67.billion dollar settlement Blue Cross Blue Shield paid to avoid litigation for limiting competition Healthcare? Why do that?

Posted by Icansee4miles
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 6:33 pm to
I wish I could give you more than one red arrow LowT. Please tell the Board which part of Obamacare is working best?
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 6:42 pm to
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Third, we have more and better drugs created in the last twenty years. Incredible machines in many ER's. But they are not cheap. If you wanna do without these contraptions and these potions, we can do it and your prices will go right back down.

This isn’t the reason for the massive increases in costs of insurance.

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preexisting condition

This is a big part of the reason for massive price increases.

The socialism you love will never result in cheaper or better health care.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 6:44 pm
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