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re: Mexican-American judge that Trump attacked rules in favor of border wall
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:14 pm to L.A.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:14 pm to L.A.
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Yes he did. The La Raza Bar Association is open only to Hispanics, right? Then it's a racial/ethnic identity group. Once again, how many Hispanics would want to go before a white judge who belonged to an all-white bar association called The Race?
Are you just thick or what. I agreed with you that it was not unreasonable for Trump not to want to go before a Judge he thought was a member of the La Raza Latino advocacy group, which Trump thought he was at the time.
But he wasn't. He was a member of a Latino Bar Association. Yes, it was a ethnic bar association, but the point is it was not the advocacy group that Trump supporters said it was at the time.
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And La Raza does not mean "the race." I That's factually incorrect. I speak Spanish fluently, and have for decades. In my 30's I lived in South America for 6 years and worked full time in the Spanish language.
"La Raza", in the context of the La Raza Bar Association, does not mean the literal translation, the race.
This comes straight from the La Raza Bar Association website:
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Many people incorrectly translate the name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”
Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions.
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:20 pm to texridder
I’ve never once mentioned the other Ka Raza group. I limited my comments strictly to the LaRaza bar association
And fwiw even LaRaza admits on their website that the literal translation of La Raza is the race.
How about answering my question about whether or not a Hispanic would want to go before a white judge who belonged to an all white legal group called The Race
And fwiw even LaRaza admits on their website that the literal translation of La Raza is the race.
How about answering my question about whether or not a Hispanic would want to go before a white judge who belonged to an all white legal group called The Race
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:21 pm to Turbeauxdog
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If I remember correctly, the bar association listed the Latino advocacy group as a partner group on its webpage.
You don't remember correctly. You might have read that somewhere if someone was trying to convince people the two are affiliated, but is just ain't so. Go look on their website.
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Also, separate from la raza ties, the judge was involved in illegal immigrant advocacy.
Well, I've never heard that.
So why don't you post something from a reputable source, that says Curiel was involved in "illegal immigrant advocacy" (whatever that means) and let's have a look.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:23 pm to texridder
Can you explain why a white-centric law group is inherently racist, but one geared toward Latinos is automatically given a pass?
Is this where we get into the faux sociological construct of minorities being unable to exhibit racism, simply because they are a numerical minority?
Is this where we get into the faux sociological construct of minorities being unable to exhibit racism, simply because they are a numerical minority?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:26 pm to L.A.
Gangsacked!
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:32 pm to texridder
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You don't remember correctly. You might have read that somewhere if someone was trying to convince people the two are affiliated, but is just ain't so. Go look on their website
Just checked the California website, it's still there.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:33 pm to L.A.
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And fwiw even LaRaza admits on their website that the literal translation of La Raza is the race.
Are you hard headed or just obtuse?
It said that on the website I posted and that the name for the bar association was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos.
It also said:
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While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”
You just keep arguing for the sake of arguing.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:39 pm to Smart Post
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Can you explain why a white-centric law group is inherently racist, but one geared toward Latinos is automatically given a pass?
Is this where we get into the faux sociological construct of minorities being unable to exhibit racism, simply because they are a numerical minority?
Look nobody ever said that.
Why don't you not come on here at the end of the thread when you obviously don't know what has been discussed, and start spouting that same old, tired rhetoric.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:47 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You don't remember correctly. You might have read that somewhere if someone was trying to convince people the two are affiliated, but is just ain't so. Go look on their website
Just checked the California website, it's still there.
You're just compete scum.
This is from the Forbes article that I linked earlier.
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The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) was a client of mine many years ago. It’s a distinguished organization, the predominant, mildly center left, old line Latino civil rights organization. (NCLR called upon me to help it find abundant funding for its national charter school initiative, and we did.) NCLR has no connection to the group using the name “La Raza” with which Judge Curiel was loosely connected nor to many small groups who go by that name.
Eta: Don't post to me anymore. You are unscrupulous, and a waste of time.
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:48 pm to texridder
quote:Here's what's going on. I speak Spanish. You don't. I live in Southern California. You don't. You're regurgitating something you read somewhere, I'm telling you as someone who speaks Spanish on a native level what La Raza means, both literally and colloquially.
Are you hard headed or just obtuse?
It said that on the website I posted and that the name for the bar association was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos.
It also said:
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While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”
You just keep arguing for the sake of arguing.
What La Raza put on their website came after they started getting heat for having the same name as the other La Raza, who really are some hate=filled loonies who have advocated, among other things, the over throw of the United States govt. So they tried to explain to the Gringos that The Race really doesn't mean The Race. And to a degree, it doesn't. But it doesn't exactly mean The People or The Community either. Those terms exist in Spanish, but were not chosen. They could have called their group La Gente, or El Pueblo, but they didn't. La Raza has very specific connotations in Southern California.
So long story short, you're arguing about something here that you don't truly understand. I go back a quarter of a century with these groups. You think you understand the topic, but your words betray the reality.
And once again, how about answering my question about whether or not a Hispanic would want to go before a white judge who belonged to an all white legal group called The Race
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:58 pm to L.A.
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Here's what's going on. I speak Spanish. You don't. I live in Southern California. You don't. You're regurgitating something you read somewhere, I'm telling you as someone who speaks Spanish on a native level what La Raza means, both literally and colloquially.
You are plain pig headed.
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I'm telling you as someone who speaks Spanish on a native level what La Raza means, both literally and colloquially.
So you are going to tell the bar Association what their name means.
And what "race" does the name of the Bar association refer to?
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:05 am to texridder
quote:I'm saying their website is disingenuous, aimed at non Spanish speaking Gringos who got worried and upset after they were linked publicly with the other La Raza.
So you are going to tell the bar Association what their name means.
quote:See, this is what I'm talking about. Your questions demonstrate your lack of understanding. You think because there is no Hispanic race that La Raza is somehow a benign term?
And what "race" does the name of the Bar association refer to?
The term La Raza was chosen intentionally. It has deep long standing political connotations, dating back almost a century. Say the words La Raza on the streets of Los Angeles and ask somebody what comes to mind. There is an air of militancy to the term, that La Gente or El Pueblo could never conjure.
And once again, how about answering my question about whether or not a Hispanic would want to go before a white judge who belonged to an all white legal group called The Race
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:07 am to texridder
I think you are the one who is being thoroughly dishonest. Your principles are obviously fluid, or you are as confused about them as you are your gender.
I mean, you are telling us that we don't know what we are talking about, then do a piss-poor or nonexistent "explanation."
Clearly, YOU are the charlatan.
I mean, you are telling us that we don't know what we are talking about, then do a piss-poor or nonexistent "explanation."
Clearly, YOU are the charlatan.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:16 am to L.A.
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And once again, how about answering my question about whether or not a Hispanic would want to go before a white judge who belonged to an all white legal group called The Race
So Trump thought that Curiel was a member of the national La Raza group when he was talking about Curiel, not the bar association.
But now you want to do a hypothetical and pretend that Trump was, in fact, talking about the Bar association (which we know that he wasn't), and ask me, in effect, whether Trump would have been reasonable IF he didn't want to go in front of a judge who was the member of an of an all-Latino bar association.
So why are you asking that? Are you going to use some perverted explanation to say you were right the whole time about a fact pattern that you dreamed up? That never happened?
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:19 am to texridder
Over the years I've learned a lot from other people on this board because often I have found myself in conversations where the other person knows more than I do about a given topic. I come away from those conversations thankful for the opportunity to have learned something. You should let your guard down and try it sometime.
Gotta run.
Gotta run.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:32 am to L.A.
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I have found myself in conversations where the other person knows more than I do about a given topic. I come away from those conversations thankful for the opportunity to have learned something. You should let your guard down and try it sometime.
I won't have to use your sage advice if the person I am conversing with is you. Because you don't know squat.
You don't know anything about this topic other than to say 20 times that La Raza means the race, and cannot mean anything else, and that the bar Association which is made up of Hispanics/Latinos (which is not a race (explain that one to me) doesn't know where the name of their Bar Association came from.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 12:34 am
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:34 am to boosiebadazz
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The questioning of the judge because of his heritage is one of the more embarrassing and repugnant things Trump has said and done.
He questioned his ability to remain impartial about Trump building a wall between the US and his family’s country of origin. I don’t think I would call that embarrassing or repugnant. He certainly lacked tact, but that is his M.O.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:41 am to Smart Post
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I think you are the one who is being thoroughly dishonest. Your principles are obviously fluid, or you are as confused about them as you are your gender.
I mean, you are telling us that we don't know what we are talking about, then do a piss-poor or nonexistent "explanation."
Clearly, YOU are the charlatan.
I can pretty much assure you if you read that post again in the morning, you will delete it.
If you don't, it will confirm that you are easily confused.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 12:43 am
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:24 am to texridder
At least you don't have to wonder why people call you names. You are as dumb as a box of rocks and a shitty troll as well.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 6:36 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Trump broke him.
Or made him rich
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