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re: Justice Steven's proposed 6 amendments to the constitution

Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:55 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:55 pm to
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orderly, civilized society,


That's fairly subjective
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85571 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:55 pm to
you're reaching here. So because we haven't figured out all the mysteries and complexities of disease and the human body, the whole thing has been a failure? Come on, man.

In the ultimate irony of ironies, you're coming off pretty hackish here.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85571 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:57 pm to
Naturally.

But by whatever standard, it's allowing me to trade ideas with people across the world simply by pushing buttons on a little gadget.

Try explaining that concept to a medieval serf.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:58 pm to
So government steals a bunch of money and work from people, they send someone to the moon and eradicate some diseases and there is no way anyone can show that this would or wouldn't have been done more efficiently without government and this is the big argument that government is moral and good.

Oh, and I'm a hack and doody-head.
This post was edited on 5/2/14 at 11:59 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298892 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:59 pm to
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But by whatever standard, it's allowing me to trade ideas with people across the world simply by pushing buttons on a little gadget.


Probably the best thing our government has done is allow people certain social and economic freedoms. Kind of sucks that governments have to grant things people are naturally born with.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25716 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:00 am to
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this is the big argument that government is moral and good.


Why are there currently no societies based on anarchy that serve as a model for a better way to organize society?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85571 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:01 am to
Government, in it's purest form, protects social freedoms and facilitates the economic freedoms that allow this iPad to be developed and for me to buy it and use it to communicate over the Internet.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:01 am to
Because of people like you and boosie.
This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 12:03 am
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25716 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:01 am to
quote:

Probably the best thing our government has done is allow people certain social and economic freedoms. Kind of sucks that governments have to grant things people are naturally born with.


I can certainly get on board this thought train.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:02 am to
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Government, in it's purest form, protects social freedoms and facilitates the economic freedoms
No
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85571 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:02 am to
We do have historical examples of societies that lean more anarchist than authoritarian.

You anarchists never want to talk about that, though.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:03 am to
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You anarchists never want to talk about that, though.
I don't know much about them. They don't really matter to me.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25716 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:03 am to
Or perhaps your idea isn't a very good one.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:04 am to
What idea?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85571 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:04 am to
I have a natural, inherent right to speak my mind as I please.

If you come to my house and punch me I the face because of what I say, the government is there to make you stop and ensure I can speak my mind.

Incredibly elementary example that I sure you'll ridicule, but it gets the point across.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25716 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:04 am to
That a government-less society is the best society.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:05 am to
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I have a natural, inherent right to speak my mind as I please.
No
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85571 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:05 am to
Why not? You just lamented the fact that we can't articulate what an alternate history looks like without governments.

We've got some examples we can extrapolate from, though.

Those don't interest you at all?
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:05 am to
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That a government-less society is the best society.
No
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85571 posts
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:05 am to
Do I have any natural, inherent rights?
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