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re: Great message on abortion
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:38 am to Fells
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:38 am to Fells
quote:I've yet to come across any instance EVER in which abortion of a viable fetus was a safer option than hospital delivery.
Also noticed how you didn't want to argue about the medical community confirming that abortions are in fact sometimes necessary to save the mother's life.
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:48 am to Azkiger
quote:
Opinion
Not at all. The fetus literally does not have the physical infrastructure to have memories, much less thoughts and other brain activity. Which makes sense if you stop to think about it for a second. It's not like the sperm hits the egg and instaneously you have a thinking entity and the brain is so complex of an organ its going to take some time to form (I mean. It isn't even fully formed until you are 24 or so, so why would you expect it to not take time to develop in the uterus?)
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Substantial evidence for fetal memories has been found at around 30 weeks after conception.
LINK
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Who TF are you arguing against?
The guy who stated that he thinks that it is immoral to abort the product of incestous rape.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 5:54 am
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:49 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
I've yet to come across any instance EVER in which abortion of a viable fetus was a safer option than hospital delivery.
I literally posted three situations, spoken from doctors themselves.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 5:53 am
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:51 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
NC_Tigah
Future/potential viability has nothing to do with a fetus not being a person before 30 weeks.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:57 am to Fells
quote:A) That is not relevant. Viability is.
Future/potential viability
B) What in the world do you think changes between 29 6/7ths and 30 weeks to suddenly constitute personage?
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:02 am to NC_Tigah
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That is not relevant. Viability is.
quote:
Future/potential viability
Read.
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What in the world do you think changes between 29 6/7ths and 30 weeks to suddenly constitute personage?
Already stated this. In fact it was the primary point of my first post. Again, learn to read.
The development of the physical infrastructure that allows for thinking, storing memories, making decisions based off of those memories ect.
Ya know, the things that make a person a person.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:05 am to Fells
quote:Viability =/= Future/potential viability
Future/potential viability
Read.
Got it?
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:12 am to NC_Tigah
It does. Context. Obvious that the purpose of those descriptors are to cut you some slack but you're too dumb to realize when someone throws you a bone 
If you wanna stick with "ability to work successfully.", it just benifits my arguement more since we're talking about fetuses that literally do not have the capacity for thought or consciousness.
Also noticed how you couldn't address the rest of my point lol.
If you wanna stick with "ability to work successfully.", it just benifits my arguement more since we're talking about fetuses that literally do not have the capacity for thought or consciousness.
Also noticed how you couldn't address the rest of my point lol.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:12 am to Fells
quote:Well dumbass if you can demonstrate a uniform difference in fetal sentience between days 209 and 210 EGA, that will change medical science. You'll be lauded on Oprah. But of course, you can't. But for an educational start, you could google what the "E" in "EGA" stands for.
Ya know, the things that make a person a person.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 6:14 am
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:18 am to NC_Tigah
Oh shite, I'm lucky enough to get a double post from you. I live the idea of you posting, then sitting there thinking about it, getting mad and realizing you fricked up and wanted to add more
Obviously fetuses develop at different rates. 30 weeks is an estimate for about how long it takes to develop this physical infrastructure. That's obvious and you clinging to it like it's some kind of gotcha only shows how weak you feel about your position.
Obviously fetuses develop at different rates. 30 weeks is an estimate for about how long it takes to develop this physical infrastructure. That's obvious and you clinging to it like it's some kind of gotcha only shows how weak you feel about your position.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:20 am to NC_Tigah
Are you trying to debate a guy who has the infallible opinion of John Locke to cite? Did you not read his post? John Locke said it’s not a person if it doesn’t have memories. That constitutes absolute truth according to Fails and should be the final say on the matter.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:21 am to Fells
quote:No dumbass, it doesn't.
It does.
Future viability:
Viability:
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:24 am to Dirk Dawgler
quote:
Are you trying to debate a guy who has the infallible opinion of John Locke to cite?
If someone else wants to take a stab at defining what a person is, I'd be all for it.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:24 am to Dirk Dawgler
quote:No, I'm trying to educate him.
Are you trying to debate a guy
But it's problem
tic Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:25 am to NC_Tigah
I'll take you retreating to only your intentional misinterpretation of my comment as a concession
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:32 am to Fells
quote:Viability is an indisputable boundary. As the "E" is EGA = "estimated," misestimation could lead to rare instances of viability as early as 21-22wks EGA. Abortion, after that point of viability should be eliminated.
If someone else wants to take a stab at defining what a person is, I'd be all for it.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:36 am to Fells
quote:There is no misinterpretation dummy. You didn't know what you were saying, and didn't understand the need for specificity when you alluded to "the medical community". When it was laid out for you, you still didn't get it. I figured the pictures would help. Obviously they did.
I'll take you retreating to only your intentional misinterpretation
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 6:36 am
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:37 am to Fells
Thinking doesn’t make a person a person. Everybody knows that it’s always been a fiction to consider a fetus a not a person. But you wouldn’t know that because John Locke probably didn’t say that. Your 30 week mark is stupid based solely on the fact that you believe thinking is what makes us a person.
Life begins at conception. Purposely stopping that life to develop is moral bankruptcy.
Life begins at conception. Purposely stopping that life to develop is moral bankruptcy.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:41 am to Fells
My 8 month old has neither reason nor reflection. Is she not a person?
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:42 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Viability is an indisputable boundary
Why? Just because?
If a fetus doesn't have a "self", there is nothing to "murder" . It literally, by definition, is not a person. You're picking viability at random because of your feelings despite there not being any sort of practical reason to choose it.
Having the ability to turn into a person is not relevant. It's still not a person.
Whereas I'm picking a point that can be determined in a true physical sense, ya know, being rational.
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