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Later I realized it was dangerous and was glad I didn’t take it.?

It does have dangerous side effects in rare cases. There are a lot of nut jobs on this board who have exaggerated those rare cases into some killing grounds.

I knew no one who died of Covid except for one lady who was in hospice. I knew no one who died of the vaccine, although I have a friend who suspects his father might have.

Both the right and the left lost their minds over Covid and abandoned their rational, thinking for political narratives. The left greatly exaggerated Covid and greatly exaggerated the prophylactic steps we needed to take to prevent it. The right countered by greatly exaggerating, the negative effects of the vaccine.

thank you for the even handed rationality

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Posted by Westin

Member since Jan 2021

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Posted on 2/10/26 at 11:27 am to BrodyDad

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Also, while sad that you lost people, there is no definitive proof that it would have saved or helped them.

I firmly believe it would have. Professionally, I have knowledge and insight into all of this. The vax would have given them a much better chance at not getting as sick as they did and certainly lessened the chance of dying.

i'm sorry for your losses. and I agree with you, and I think the statistics bear this out (a lessened but not guaranteed chance of dying) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9351531/
it was obvious the vaccine was marketed and pushed in the wrong way

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Posted by idsrdum

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Posted on 2/10/26 at 11:32 am to crazy4lsu

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I stated this many times, as the quality of the course of infection varied widely. For that reason I suggested that serious COVID infection was in part mediated by HLA serotypes, which is the most obvious answer as to why the quality of infection could vary so much.

I have so many questions because I am genuinely trying to understand the variability of Covid...

Does this theory overlook epigenetic factors?

Is there stronger evidence that innate immunity, rather than HLA serotypes, determines COVID-19 severity?

In your opinion, what protected children from this novel pathogen?

And didn't some people exposed not even seroconvert? What protected them?

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There might be other immune-mediated reasons as well.

What other immue-mediated reasons do you suspect?

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Posted by TigerDoc

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Posted on 2/10/26 at 11:49 am to Westin

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it was obvious the vaccine was marketed and pushed in the wrong way

Good article and good point. It’s not about eliminating all infections. It’s about shifting the odds away from the worst outcomes.

This is crucial because given we've been raised in an era of eradication, people today expect perfect prevention, not risk reduction. The public language around vaccines (especially early messaging) underplayed that distinction. When people do get infected after vaccination (as shown by all lines rising during Omicron) it reinforces the belief that “vaccines don’t work” (or even making people vulnerable to adopting the wacky "it's not a vaccine" idea), unless you carefully frame what “working” really means. You see in the right graph that deaths stay low in the vaccinated group. The vaccines kept people out of the morgue even as they still got sick.

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Posted by crazy4lsu

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Posted on 2/10/26 at 12:08 pm to idsrdum

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Is there stronger evidence that innate immunity, rather than HLA serotypes, determines COVID-19 severity?

The easiest explanation for the wide quality of infection between closely related people is HLA serotypes because HLA genes are the most polymorphic in the human genome. They are part of the innate immune response.