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Then, you proceed to say that unemployment causes crime….which would also go back to personal responsibility. People can choose whether to commit crime or not, making it a personal responsibility. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

I think you're confusing personal responsibility with whether one can control whether they do an action.

Crime isn't just a personal responsibility. It affects us all and there are non-personal factors that make someone more likely to be pushed towards crime i.e unemployment. It once again demonstrates my point here. If I don't have a job, it makes me more likely to steal/commit crime in order to provide for a family etc. So I don't view crime as just a personal responsibility but a societal responsibility.

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- If you think that there’s no evidence that government involvement increases healthcare costs, then you’re being purposely naive. There are literally hundreds of thousands of pieces of evidence and research that can be found with a simple google search. You obviously have no clue that providers raise the price of care to cover what health insurance and government programs cover, then write off the rest. Were healthcare more affordable, you know, people might not skip out on bills.

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That's not true. The evidence suggests Medicaid costs per patient are far lower than private insurance once you control for health. So I'm not the one being naive, I've actually cited evidence that supports my point that government involvement doesn't increase costs.

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Go to an ER. Tell them you have Medicaid or something like that and you need blood work. How much is the cost? They’ll give you one number. Then say, oh, but I’d like to pay cash. They’ll give you a different number. If government interference has no bearing on increased costs, why are there two different numbers?

The evidence suggests otherwise.

Here's a study that demonstrates my point:

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Posted by DallasTiger11

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Member since Mar 2004

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Posted on 8/12/21 at 12:54 pm to DangerousWafer

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So none of those things are just a personal responsibility because people generally aren't responsible individuals.

So what’s your solution for this then?

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Posted by Gr8t8s

Member since Oct 2009

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Posted on 8/12/21 at 12:56 pm to DangerousWafer

You're literally talking circles around yourself.

Responsibility is defined as: the state or fact of having a duty to deal with something or of having control over someone.

Adding personal to responsibility means exactly that. Control over yourself. Crime is 100% a personal responsibility. If a person chooses not to commit it, crime goes away.

I can cite study after study refuting anything you decide to post on the matter. Do like I said. Walk into an ER and ask for bloodwork. I've done it myself. On BCBS insurance, it was over $400 with a $75 copay. The medicaid price was $400. I paid $91 cash instead and it didn't go to insurance. But don't let those facts get in the way.

Also, I love how they throw out the "when you adjust for health". Hilarious. When you adjust for health, COVID is 99.9999999999% survivable and non-problematic. People on medicaid are typically more likely to be overweight and unhealthy....so sure, let's control for health in our study. C'mon man.

This is going nowhere.

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