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re: Anecdote on Vaccine Effectiveness
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:30 pm to Diamondawg
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:30 pm to Diamondawg
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Really? Just curious. What is your background in healthcare?
I'm a junk yard manager. What does that have to do with anything?
I'm not telling you what to think, you can think whatever you want but no they're not providing the data that this works out in the real world. And what are we talking about right now 6-8 months.
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Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:31 pm to crazy4lsu
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crazy4lsu
Doc here who took the vaccine but can understand certainly why people would not take it, and I don't "preach" taking it.
Thank you for your work here in the thread, I enjoyed it. Judging by you words here, any misgivings you have about your ability to communicate, are just that.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:41 pm to Stingray
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Doc here who took the vaccine but can understand certainly why people would not take it, and I don't "preach" taking it.
Thank you for your work here in the thread, I enjoyed it. Judging by you words here, any misgivings you have about your ability to communicate, are just that.
It has nothing to do with explaining as he tried to say, it has to do with the truth. You literally have doctors, medical staff, and the medical industry promoting the whole face diaper bullshite.
I'll explain it to them real quick, they should take a chemical and germ warfare class training... but their stupid arse clown diaper on their face and go into the tear gas chamber. Start breathing normal, I give them about 30 seconds until their lungs feel like their going to burst and they're vomiting on the floor.
How in the frick does anyone think hauling a germ rag around is safe for anyone?
What they are trying to do is real simple, ride the coattails of the natural immunity which is probably in the majority if not way past the majority range in many areas of the world.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:45 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:So you are admitting that you’re dangerous? Thought so with your one trick pony question x400.
I'm a junk yard manager. What does that have to do with anything?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:46 pm to Diamondawg
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So you are admitting that you’re dangerous? Thought so with your one trick pony question x400.
I admit you're a dumb arse drama queen who's scared he took the jab.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:51 pm to Stonehog
It's amazing how many ways leftists will justify their lies.
My "bias" was that the vaccinated should not be concerned about unvaccinated people. How do these anecdotes of vaccinated people coming down with sever cases of Covid support my bias?
BTW, I have a friend who works in a family care clinic- she is seeing the same thing.
Why cant we treat people like adults and just tell the truth, regardless of where that takes us?
My "bias" was that the vaccinated should not be concerned about unvaccinated people. How do these anecdotes of vaccinated people coming down with sever cases of Covid support my bias?
BTW, I have a friend who works in a family care clinic- she is seeing the same thing.
Why cant we treat people like adults and just tell the truth, regardless of where that takes us?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:54 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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It has nothing to do with explaining as he tried to say, it has to do with the truth. You literally have doctors, medical staff, and the medical industry promoting the whole face diaper bullshite.
I'm in the industry, you don't have to explain the bullshite to me.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:56 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Everyone paying attention knows the data is bullshite. You have said the same thing 500 times 2000 different ways. We get it.
Legitimate threads get wrapped around the axle by bullshite posters like you among many others.
Legitimate threads get wrapped around the axle by bullshite posters like you among many others.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:56 pm to Stingray
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I'm in the industry, you don't have to explain the bull shite to me.
Sure, pretty fricking simple, do you think that stupid fricking clown diaper you wear on your face stops the rona? Well, if you do....I wouldn't trust you take my freaking bed pan.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 6:58 pm to Diamondawg
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veryone paying attention knows the data is bull shite. You have said the same thing 500 times 2000 different ways. We get it.
Legitimate threads get wrapped around the axle by bull shite posters like you among many others.
You haven't offered anything of value, you can leave the thread anytime you want.
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Legitimate threads get wrapped around the axle by bull shite posters like you among many others.
You mean me asking for simple data, and big bad people acting like doctors can't or won't provide it?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:00 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Short summary, prior infected most likely have much better protections from reinfected than the jab. The solution provided appears to be less than ideal.
But the error rate of RNA viruses is meaningful here, as variation in epitope site response leaves room for cryptic circulation of the disease, which increases the likelihood of renewed robustness along multiple sites.
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Without a detailed methodology of how they are determining "natural immunity" than any real world data is more or less meaningless as far as effectiveness.
But over all the studies, it's impossible to suggest that the early trial data was polluted by an excessive number of people with natural immunity, because the distribution of the virus has never been even. It would beggar belief that natural immunity had a wide enough distribution through multiple reproducible studies to pollute the data to the degree we can disregard vaccine efficacy completely.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:01 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Sure, pretty fricking simple, do you think that stupid fricking clown diaper you wear on your face stops the rona? Well, if you do....I wouldn't trust you take my freaking bed pan.
I think it's airborne and you would need a spacesuit to 100% stop it.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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But over all the studies, it's impossible to suggest that the early trial data was polluted by an excessive number of people with natural immunity, because the distribution of the virus has never been even. It would beggar belief that natural immunity had a wide enough distribution through multiple reproducible studies to pollute the data to the degree we can disregard vaccine efficacy completely.
I never said the trial data was polluted by people with natural immunity, I pointed out specifically the trial is meaningless.
The trial is meaningless at this point, you should be showing me real data.
A trial is a theory, the theory has to be proven. Which is why drugs get taken off the market.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:05 pm to the808bass
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Setting: A small urgent care/primary care office located in suburban St. Louis.
Total number of employees: less than 30.
This month, 5 fully-vaccinated employees of the office have tested positive. They are symptomatic.
Your mileage may vary.
I was told a Prarieville urgent care is closed (today) for this exact reason.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:06 pm to Stingray
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I think it's airborne and you would need a spacesuit to 100% stop it.
Now what is the policy and procedures where you work and what medical personnel fight these stupid policies.
Funny, all they show on TV is wear the masks, and there is a good chance medical personnel are sitting right there when they say it.
I'm glad you don't believe that bullshite, maybe you can be saved.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:07 pm to Stingray
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Judging by you words here, any misgivings you have about your ability to communicate, are just that.
Haha, I had to change something after all my simulated patients told me I came across like a robot and lacked empathy. They couldn't see me smiling under my mask though.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:10 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:You mean asking for data that doesn’t exist and asking for it 400 times and admittedly, you say it doesn’t exist is not drama?
You mean me asking for simple data, and big bad people acting like doctors can't or won't provide it?
I need a driver side mirror for an 07 Silverado 2500 HD. Can you hook me up?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:11 pm to Diamondawg
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You mean asking for data that doesn’t exist and asking for it 400 times and admittedly, you say it doesn’t exist is not drama?
I need a driver side mirror for an 07 Silverado 2500 HD. Can you hook me up?
Of course, because they keep coming into the thread and saying its effective.
Get out of the thread.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:14 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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A trial is a theory, the theory has to be proven. Which is why drugs get taken off the market.
NSAIDs have proven to have severe long-term consequences with multiple disease pathophysiologies, including exacerbated respiratory disease, Reye syndrome, and tubulointerstitial nephritis. And a trial is the same protocol as any, with robust patient populations chosen randomly, the statistical representation is meaningful especially when certain confidence interval is reached. The suggestion that you can't trust trial data in the context of further data, which reflects the trial data closely, is a immensely opaque argument. In order for it to meaningfully pollute the later data, it would have to make randomization efforts impossible, which again implies something very specific about the disease distribution.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 7:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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The suggestion that you can't trust trial data in the context of further data, which reflects the trial data closely, is a immensely opaque argument. In order for it to meaningfully pollute the later data, it would have to make randomization efforts impossible, which again implies something very specific about the disease distribution.
Yeah, there it is....
Trust me it works.
So, the real purpose of tracking vax vs. nonvax is to attempt to act like its the vax, but you don't actually know.
We can't reproduce the results in the real world, but we'll pretend people don't have natural immunity... which could be hiding the fact that our vaccine isn't effective.
You should try my Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever vaccine, its 100% effective.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 7:20 pm
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