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Anecdote on Vaccine Effectiveness
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:58 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:58 am
Setting: A small urgent care/primary care office located in suburban St. Louis.
Total number of employees: less than 30.
This month, 5 fully-vaccinated employees of the office have tested positive. They are symptomatic.
Your mileage may vary.
Total number of employees: less than 30.
This month, 5 fully-vaccinated employees of the office have tested positive. They are symptomatic.
Your mileage may vary.
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Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:00 am to the808bass
Out of curiosity, are there any unvaxxed employees? And if so, any of them have symptoms or positive tests?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:00 am to the808bass
About what I am figuring at this point.
Now imagine not including the people that might have some type of nature immunity from a prior infection. And we're what about 6 months in.
Now imagine not including the people that might have some type of nature immunity from a prior infection. And we're what about 6 months in.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 9:01 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:00 am to the808bass
They have to get booster shots. One booster shot several times per year.
P.S. the covid vaccine trials have yet to be completed. Have fun getting multiple experimental vaccines each year when you’re young and healthy you idiots.
P.S. the covid vaccine trials have yet to be completed. Have fun getting multiple experimental vaccines each year when you’re young and healthy you idiots.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:03 am to the808bass
Any idea of the number of people that have been infected before the vaccine?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:05 am to NineLineBind
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Out of curiosity, are there any unvaxxed employees? And if so, any of them have symptoms or positive tests?
I didn’t get that info. I would guess there’s few unvaxxed employees. It’s a system office. The system has given a deadline of September for all employees to be vaccinated.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:06 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Any idea of the number of people that have been infected before the vaccine?
One of the nurses told me that it was disappointing that so many vaccinated were testing positive combined with them seeing people who “had Covid last year” being reinfected. That’s a hazy statement though. Were they confirmed infections? No idea.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:06 am to the808bass
The symptomatic positives are now work from home/on sick leave?? Getting the vac to reduce sick time doesn’t sound like it worked here.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:09 am to the808bass
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One of the nurses told me that it was disappointing that so many vaccinated were testing positive combined with them seeing people who “had Covid last year” being reinfected. That’s a hazy statement though. Were they confirmed infections? No idea.
Gotacha, thank you.
Yeah, I would like to see more data, but I don't think we are ever going to get useful data at this point to determine whether the vaccine actually is effective in any significant manner.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:12 am to tiger91
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The symptomatic positives are now work from home/on sick leave?
Sick leave.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:13 am to tiger91
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Getting the vac to reduce sick time doesn’t sound like it worked here.
But they can't claim that because they are not determining whether or not these are reinfections.
https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
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We saw that antibody responses, especially IgG antibodies, were not only durable in the vast majority of patients but decayed at a slower rate than previously estimated, which suggests that patients are generating longer-lived plasma cells that can neutralize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.”
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Ahmed says investigators were surprised to see that convalescent participants also displayed increased immunity against common human coronaviruses as well as SARS-CoV-1, a close relative of the current coronavirus. The study suggests that patients who survived COVID-19 are likely to also possess protective immunity even against SARS-CoV-2 variants.
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“Vaccines that target other parts of the virus rather than just the spike protein may be more helpful in containing infection as SARS-CoV-2 variants overtake the prevailing strains,” says Ahmed. “This could pave the way for us to design vaccines that address multiple coronaviruses.”
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 9:16 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:15 am to the808bass
Can you tell me if you have any info on people testing positive in this scenario:
Had covid, got shot due, test positive again?? Only curious as my daughter had it last August, just got shot due to mandate by employer — curious as to chances she’ll pop positive.
Had covid, got shot due, test positive again?? Only curious as my daughter had it last August, just got shot due to mandate by employer — curious as to chances she’ll pop positive.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:17 am to tiger91
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Can you tell me if you have any info on people testing positive in this scenario: Had covid, got shot due, test positive again?? Only curious as my daughter had it last August, just got shot due to mandate by employer — curious as to chances she’ll pop positive.
That's basically what I asked him.
There was a study I posted that reinfection rate was around 1%, but that had nothing to do with delta... iirc.
Is there a chance the vaccine(s) are negative effective at this point?
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 9:19 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:19 am to the808bass
Lotta talk in this thread about vaccine. Technically, a vaccine is an antibody response raised to either 1) a killed virus, or 2) an attenuated virus - part of the virus
Antibodies are created in the presence of either, from B cells created in the presence of either. a second injection just 'boosts' both response time (decreases time between exposure to the virus, and antibody production) and response density (the amount of antibody produced).
As the Covid 'vaccine' doesn't create antibodies which target live virus, but rather create antibodies to a protein that the virus creates, and needs to enter cells, it really isn't a vaccine at all, it is a therapeutic biopharmaceutical. It is a drug that behaves much like benzodiazepines (such as Valium) which block a binding site on cells (the lock), disallowing a naturally occurring anxiety protein from entering the cell, and causing anxiety.
Antibodies are created in the presence of either, from B cells created in the presence of either. a second injection just 'boosts' both response time (decreases time between exposure to the virus, and antibody production) and response density (the amount of antibody produced).
As the Covid 'vaccine' doesn't create antibodies which target live virus, but rather create antibodies to a protein that the virus creates, and needs to enter cells, it really isn't a vaccine at all, it is a therapeutic biopharmaceutical. It is a drug that behaves much like benzodiazepines (such as Valium) which block a binding site on cells (the lock), disallowing a naturally occurring anxiety protein from entering the cell, and causing anxiety.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:20 am to OccamsStubble
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As the Covid 'vaccine' doesn't create antibodies which target live virus, but rather create antibodies to a protein that the virus creates, and needs to enter cells, it really isn't a vaccine at all, it is a therapeutic biopharmaceutical. It is a drug that behaves much like benzodiazepines (such as Valium) which block a binding site on cells (the lock), disallowing a naturally occurring anxiety protein from entering the cell, and causing anxiety.
Depends on the definition of "vaccine" you are using but yes, under some State's law its not a vaccine.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:22 am to tiger91
I don’t. The one the person that I got more info on (employee) was not infected prior to vaccine.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:23 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
I’m sorry — I Misread/misunderstood. I thought you were asking about reinfections minus the vaccines.
Our poor girl thinks that the shot willmake her life easy and she’d be done with covid and restrictions. She wasn’t real sick the first time and I pray if she happens to get it again isn’t super sick this time either.
Our poor girl thinks that the shot willmake her life easy and she’d be done with covid and restrictions. She wasn’t real sick the first time and I pray if she happens to get it again isn’t super sick this time either.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:26 am to the808bass
I know someone at the Children's hospital in Atlanta. One of their coworkers got the vax and is now in ICU fighting for his life.
The sad irony was that he was vax hesitant and wasn't going to get it. Why he broke down and made the poor choice is anyone's guess. He is a conservative black man. I hope he survives it.
The sad irony was that he was vax hesitant and wasn't going to get it. Why he broke down and made the poor choice is anyone's guess. He is a conservative black man. I hope he survives it.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:26 am to OccamsStubble
Best explanation I’ve seen
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:29 am to Jack Carter
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Have fun getting multiple experimental vaccines each year when you’re young and healthy you idiots.
At least thank them for providing abundant data. Not just anybody would be guinea pigs for us.
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