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re: Infrared cameras on Bourbon st to detect concealed guns??

Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:49 am to
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:49 am to
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I think that is kind of a stretch. How clear are these images?






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If that is the case then shouldn't we ban FLIR from the public.


First, the article does not specifically note FLIR imaging or thermal imaging. It notes using "infrared and other imaging technologies" to detect "any kind of contraband through clothing".

No, banning technology from individuals because of the improper use by some is silly. Excusing wholesale improper use by the government because others are able to improperly use it is also silly.

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What keeps private individuals from recording children and women in public?


Depends on what content is being recording. Many laws exist to preserve privacy and prevent child pornography now.

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Do you support making FLIR devices illegal for the public?


No, see above.


Let me make slight change to your questions and see how you respond.

Clearly, videoing persons in HD with security cameras is possible. The same cameras can be set up secretly to record women in a state of undress like in dressing rooms, restrooms, showers, or upward from the floor to get upskirt videos etc.

If this is the case shouldn't we ban all security cameras from the public?

What prevents individuals from taking videos of women and children in restrooms, dressing rooms, showers with security cameras?

People even have video capability on their cell phones do you support making cell phone cameras illegal for the public?


ETA: and since some individuals can and do use security cameras incorrectly, shouldn't we just be okay with the government putting security cameras in all restroom stalls and in the floor facing up at all entrance doors in all government buildings because they might be able to detect just one potentially deadly weapon hidden in/under some unsuspecting ladies thong this way?
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 11:14 am
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:51 am to
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People even have video capability on their cell phones do you support making cell phone cameras illegal for the public?


No my point is legally...

If a private citizen can use a certain type of camera in public then the police can also use it.

You can't say that private citizens are allowed to use it in public but exclude it from LEO use.

So to ban it from LEO use you would have to ban it from citizens using it in public as well.


If you are arguing that LEO is excluded from using it in public then you must also support private citizens also being excluded.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 11:58 am
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:31 pm to
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If a private citizen can use a certain type of camera in public then the police can also use it.


yep


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You can't say that private citizens are allowed to use it in public but exclude it from LEO use.


yep (with certain exceptions not applicable here)

I am arguing, as I demonstrated, that it is not a limitation on the device it is a limitation on how that device is used.

IR and thermal imaging has many uses beyond recording images through peoples clothing without their consent. LEO use thermal imaging in situations before breech and entry to access the threat, hunters can use thermal to blood track animals and legally hunt some animals in the dark, blue collar workers can use it to identify heat loss on sealed items like your exterior doors and windows or appliances. IR imaging is used in home security cameras to get better images in low light situations, by night clubs to identify those allowed back in that have been stamped with an invisible stamp, and by LEO to detect bioluminescent substances.

Just as LEO are not allowed to randomly shoot people (regardless of the media and BLM party line) neither are private citizens. That does not mean we should take away everyone's guns.


There are already laws restricting the invasion of privacy even in both public and privately owned settings, recording inappropriate images, and manufacturing or distributing child porn. I am making the statement that the use of IR, thermal, and other technology to peer through the general publics clothes regardless of who is using the technology is crossing those lines. It is not the fault of the tech, it is the fault of the operator.
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