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Good and bad trip to the woods. Need OB mechanic help on Rhino 660.

Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:01 pm
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5333 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:01 pm
Made the 6 1/2 mile bike ride to the back of the property in MS. Managed to kill a decent buck. Two other buddies shot as well...Got back to bike to retrieve deer, and when I turned the key I got nothing. No dash lights or anything. Fuses are good. Had a spare ignition. Changed it, still nothing. All connections look good. Jumped solenoid and bike would turn over fine, but would never fire off, nor would any dash lights come on. Had to tow the damn thing all the way out. Any suggestions, other than lighting this sumbitch on fire?


This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:12 pm to
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other than lighting this sumbitch on fire?

how much ya sellin it fer?
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:18 pm to
from that I would guess ignition switch

ETA: Nice buck!
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

from that I would guess ignition switch



Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5333 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:28 pm to
Thanks! Sorry, by ignition I meant ignition switch. Has a brand new one in it and still nothing...And yes, may be getting close to selling...really aggravated with it right now.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:31 pm to
Yeah it's been that kind of day.
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5333 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:53 pm to
Thing was so muddy from getting back there I couldn't see much under the hood...hopefully I can check the all the grounds and get it going. Don't want to have to go without it right before the rut .

Was hoping it may be something simple someone else had experienced
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17670 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:20 pm to
Yeah jump the ignition
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8031 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:46 pm to
I'd remove the spark plug and verify that it does indeed have spark and go from there. The internets say a common issue with the Rhinos is stator failure.

ETA: Most Common Rhino 660 Issues


quote:

MY BIKE WON’T START – THE STARTER CRANKS THE ENGINE OVER, I SMELL GAS, BUT IT JUST WON’T START.
or - it runs, but badly, especially at certain throttle positions.

1st (if it won't start at all) check for spark – pull the spark plug and plug it back into the spark plug boot. If you have a spare spark plug, leave the plug in the engine and use your spare for this. Ground the metal body of the plug to a clean spot on the engine. Crank the starter and look for good, strong (preferably blue/white), CONSISTENT spark across the plug gap.

If there is NO spark:
Stator – a common 660 problem is an internal short in the stator windings – between the windings used to charge the battery and the another winding that leads to the CDI.

To test for this failure, unplug the rectifier/regulator and try again. Unplugging the rec/reg frees this common short that is pulling CDI signal and it now allows the ignition voltage to be generated – spark returns. If this works, your stator needs to be replaced (SEE NEW EDIT, 2nd PARAGRAPH BELOW FOR A POSSIBLE SOLUTION WITHOUT REPLACING THE STATOR). A good article on stator replacement is in the forum here: How to replace stator.

If you do have success by unplugging the rec/reg, you can leave it unplugged indefinitely with no concerns about damage to the bike…. But your battery will not be charged. Ride all you want, don’t use your lights and limit the number of shutdowns/restarts as this will discharge the battery quickly. You can charge the battery regularly with a charger, and keep jumper cables with you just in case.

4/23/2012 - Here'a a great video showing the loss of spark problem, and the cut red wire solution, put together by our friend Banshee2Raptor - Stator , red wire revival.

NEW EDIT AS OF 3/27/2011:

Thanks to feedback from several members and verification work done today by CenCalRacing (thanks to all of you)there is a possible solution to this problem WITHOUT having to replace the stator:

If unplugging the rec/reg DOES return spark to your engine, plug it back in and try cutting the red wire that comes from the stator (FROM THE STATOR, out of the side cover - NOT FROM THE REGULATOR). This red wire is from the stator's rotation direction winding and has proven to be not necessary; I believe it is legacy from kick start versions of this engine where it would prevent the engine from accidentally starting/running in backwards rotation.

If the short is in this winding, cutting the red wire appears to eliminate the short and return spark, without any other issues - allowing you to plug the rec/reg back in and return to full bike operation: You get spark and the battery charges correctly - all is good! This has now been verified several times by forum members with the 'unplug rec/reg to get spark' problem. BONUS: It has been reported and now verified that this also increases the reverse (and perhaps parking brake) RPM limiter's RPM limit by about double, so for those times when you just couldn't get enough reverse power, this may fix that issue.

If cutting this wire DOES return you to operation, you are good to go... if it does not, try cutting the white/blue stripe wire, also coming from the stator - this is the other side of the same stator winding. If you now have spark, great... if not, then it's stator replacement time (or leave the rec/reg unplugged as described above).

ALSO, I ask you a favor: If you do this mod, please add a post at the end of this sticky's thread telling us about your results - success, failure, RPM limit changes in reverse and/or parking brake, etc.

This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 4:48 pm
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
5717 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:48 pm to



Nice deer.
Posted by Nascar Fan
Columbia La.
Member since Jul 2011
18574 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:19 pm to
Nice deer
quote:

Had to tow the damn thing all the way out.

Did someone rag you about it?
quote:

when I turned the key I got nothing. No dash lights or anything. Fuses are good. Had a spare ignition. Changed it, still nothing. All connections look good. Jumped solenoid and bike would turn over fine, but would never fire off, nor would any dash lights come on.

Still sounds like a fuse of some sort to me
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5333 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:30 pm to


Did they rag me??? Both guys in the truck have Polaris Rangers. I caught hell

YOURAD, I will check the fire, but not sure that explains none of the dash even lighting up
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25943 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:37 pm to
grats on the deer bruh
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5333 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:45 pm to
Gracias, 'migo
Posted by hogdaddy
Krotz Springs
Member since Feb 2010
5153 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:13 pm to
Here a copy of the technical manual for a 2006 Rhino 660.
LINK
Posted by ShakeyTurtle
Tensas Parish
Member since Jul 2011
753 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:23 pm to
Just get a ranger. News ones are only 15-20k
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5333 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:54 pm to
hogdaddy
Somerset
Posted by LouisianaChessie
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2010
2582 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:11 am to
You can get in a ranger for less than 15. But lift wheels tires roof lights sound equipment more lights bumpers winch and a few more lights and you're looking at about 20. Just a matter of how you want to do it.
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5333 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:19 am to
Main reason I wouldn't sell the rhino..it's decked out with all the accessories I want/need. Damn thing runs and performs great, just have all these small issues popping up. First was fuel pump, then starter relay, now whatever this is..guess that's really not too bad for almost 3 years of owning it
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 12:20 am
Posted by Nascar Fan
Columbia La.
Member since Jul 2011
18574 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:24 am to
quote:

Did they rag me??? Both guys in the truck have Polaris Rangers. I caught hell


Been in them shoes before myself
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