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Another way of framing the argument on gun rights
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:08 pm
I was sent this from another board and I’ve never really thought about it in this way but it makes perfect sense. I’ll just leave this here for debate.
I'd like to point out a troubling, and overlooked, defect in the tenor of this discussion/poll: No one has the Constitutional Right to a public education but everyone has the Constitutional Right to bear arms. What is the legal basis to abridge a Constitutional Right for a mere tax payer funded service not derived from a Right? The First Amendment in contrast entails almost no limitation on speech, why the different treatment for arms? Would you be so eager to have your speech abridged? Both the 1st and 2nd Amendments protect us from tyrannical government and any restriction on these Rights limits our freedom and defense against a far more menacing threat. For those who want to minimize the likelihood that their children become victims of gun violence in school, enroll them in private school or home school them, because your desire for school safety is an inferior claim to a Constitutional Right.
I'd like to point out a troubling, and overlooked, defect in the tenor of this discussion/poll: No one has the Constitutional Right to a public education but everyone has the Constitutional Right to bear arms. What is the legal basis to abridge a Constitutional Right for a mere tax payer funded service not derived from a Right? The First Amendment in contrast entails almost no limitation on speech, why the different treatment for arms? Would you be so eager to have your speech abridged? Both the 1st and 2nd Amendments protect us from tyrannical government and any restriction on these Rights limits our freedom and defense against a far more menacing threat. For those who want to minimize the likelihood that their children become victims of gun violence in school, enroll them in private school or home school them, because your desire for school safety is an inferior claim to a Constitutional Right.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:15 pm to wryder1
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I’ll just leave this here for debate.
After that, what is there to debate? That is an excellent post.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:19 pm to stuntman
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After that, what is there to debate? That is an excellent post.
What? This is a weak argument even if you’re preaching to the choir. It’s laughable if you’re trying to convince someone who actually disagrees with you. “Don’t send your kids to school so we can have AR-15s”. That’s your argument!? Try harder.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:27 pm to dcw7g
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“Don’t send your kids to school so we can have AR-15s”. That’s your argument!?
Constitutionally, absolutely.
The problem w/ most of society today is that they don't understand what rights actually are and government's role in PROTECTING, not usurping them.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:41 pm to stuntman
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Constitutionally, absolutely.
Oh, I understood your argument. It’s just bad and will change no ones mind. That’s what you’re trying to do, right? Actually convince people to lay off the 2nd? This will not do that. Arguments that don’t work are bad arguments, no matter how “constitutional”. We have decided as a nation that all children have a right to an education. That’s not changing. Dont waste your time with this one.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:50 pm to dcw7g
Here's the thing; The people you debate directly rarely ever change their minds, no matter how well you debate the issue.
Getting people to admit they don't care about what the Constitution says won't change their minds, but it WILL help to change the minds of others who are paying attention to the debate. That's where issues/debates like this are won...the mushy middle.
Getting people to admit they don't care about what the Constitution says won't change their minds, but it WILL help to change the minds of others who are paying attention to the debate. That's where issues/debates like this are won...the mushy middle.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:52 pm to wryder1
Taxpayer funded institutions infringe on 1 and 4A consistently. We've almost grown so accustomed to it we cower instead of being unlawfully incarcerated.
Not so with 2A.
In terms of constituitinal rights, 2A is very far back on the list of rights taken away, in terms of the Framers intent. 2A is sexy to talk about but it's seriously just a political pawn at this point.
Not so with 2A.
In terms of constituitinal rights, 2A is very far back on the list of rights taken away, in terms of the Framers intent. 2A is sexy to talk about but it's seriously just a political pawn at this point.
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