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Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:11 am to mylsuhat
hat roll with me on this one. I am trying to play along. I would like for him to answer the questions.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:28 am to TigerFred
quote:
company ignoring safety concerns.
Which company?
quote:
it started with the MORONIC idea to use and out of service BOP that they service themselves when they are the ones wanting to save money!!!
Who said that the BOP was out of service?
Who serviced the BOP?
Who was trying to save money?
TF, you are way behind the curve on this.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:32 am to LSU80 USF08
quote:how so?
TF, you are way behind the curve on this.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:51 am to LSU80 USF08
I would like for the poster to answer the questions. The post is not clear. Would you care to explain how I am behind the curve?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:06 am to the LSUSaint
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THink about that for a second, your only concern is saving money on the bottom line because you are rewarded for it and YOU SERVICE YOUR OWN BOP's!!!!
The bottom line is the only reason any business exists. Airlines maintain there own planes, or pay contractors to do it, which are usually chosen based on cost. Don't see the maintenance of BOPs being any different.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 12:43 pm to the LSUSaint
So do you care to answer the questions?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:17 pm to Mudminnow
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excess food? Com'on I know some of the MMS people. They arrive and an hr later or so another helicopter arrives with an ice chest of fresh gulf shrimp.
i have never observed this, nor have i been asked for anything from an mms inspector. i've always provided them w/ lunch on location, along w/ their pilot, as a matter of courtesy.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 7:59 pm to cigtyme
In a way, there is a moratorium....but a lot weaker.
The ash from coal has traditionally been stored in 'ponds' next to water (why?). So, recently there was a flood in Tennessee and a lot of ash...with heavy metals, concentrated arsenic, etc. (imagine what is in coal ash) washed downstream into the Tennessee river basin. Now TVA has decided to quit storing ash next to water...ingenious idea!
Animals? Plenty were affected, but bioaccumulation will take time to measure. Look how long it took us to quit using DDT.
Coal mining accidents usually don't cause environmental chaos...at least that we can see. Unfortunately a lot of people in north Alabama have wells for drinking water, and over the next 20 years they may have problems. It's just a slow motion version of the gulf. Water is a great dispersant.
After 911, marshalls didn't 'fix' planes, people having the knowledge that a terrorist will probably kill everyone onboard 'fixed' planes. The same knowledge can be applied to deep water rigs now. The rig is the danger...now we all know the threat it poses. We took that for granted before. Suggested listening:
The Who--Why did I fall for that?
The ash from coal has traditionally been stored in 'ponds' next to water (why?). So, recently there was a flood in Tennessee and a lot of ash...with heavy metals, concentrated arsenic, etc. (imagine what is in coal ash) washed downstream into the Tennessee river basin. Now TVA has decided to quit storing ash next to water...ingenious idea!
Animals? Plenty were affected, but bioaccumulation will take time to measure. Look how long it took us to quit using DDT.
Coal mining accidents usually don't cause environmental chaos...at least that we can see. Unfortunately a lot of people in north Alabama have wells for drinking water, and over the next 20 years they may have problems. It's just a slow motion version of the gulf. Water is a great dispersant.
After 911, marshalls didn't 'fix' planes, people having the knowledge that a terrorist will probably kill everyone onboard 'fixed' planes. The same knowledge can be applied to deep water rigs now. The rig is the danger...now we all know the threat it poses. We took that for granted before. Suggested listening:
The Who--Why did I fall for that?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:18 pm to cigtyme
This is Apples vs. Oranges. Sure, people died in both but the spill has caused environmental and economic damage that cannot be measured; gulf is turned into a cesspool and it will be years before things go back to "normal" (i.e. pre-spill). Coal Mine had nothing close to this.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:25 pm to Tigerguyinexile
We used to take the tops off of mountains to get to the coal underneath. It was close....everything dead on top and horrible erosion killing all the fresh water stuff downstream. Before that we did the same thing with trees...18th century version of oil. We keep getting fooled.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:32 pm to lashinala
That was then, this is now.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:34 pm to Tigerguyinexile
Yes, and regulations and laws were passed to stop what the mining companies did with respect to environmental damage. Should oil companies be favored?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:02 pm to Tigerguyinexile
Some people can only see in black and white. 'We must drill because we are addicted to oil' / 'We must stop drilling now, it is killing our planet'. The gray answer is to invest sufficient research in fixing problems that we are certain to see at whatever stage our drilling technology has progressed to.
If the oil industry were a car, we need to make sure the brakes work better than the accelerator.
If the oil industry were a car, we need to make sure the brakes work better than the accelerator.
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