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Can anyone tell me the name of the dispersant being used?

Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:23 pm
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:23 pm
Or at least what specific chemical compounds are being used.

Let's see who really knows their stuff.
Posted by MoreOrLes
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:27 pm to
You posted this earlier. I lurked cause I dont know. Try rodnreel.com or Louisiana Sportsman with the same post.

If you find out post it here. I will keep an eye
out
This post was edited on 5/3/10 at 9:28 pm
Posted by Tiger in Tejas
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:36 pm to
Corexit,I think.
Posted by Luke4LSU
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:37 pm to
You talking about the surface dispersant, or the stuff they're injecting at the wellhead?
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:45 pm to
Both, if they are different
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

Corexit


Where'd you hear this?
Posted by Luke4LSU
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:49 pm to
quote:

Both, if they are different


Don't know, bro. I've never dealt with any dispersant chemicals.

I thought the stuff that they were injecting at the seafloor was some experimental stuff that Exxon R&D had come up with and suggested they try.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

some experimental stuff that Exxon R&D had come up with and suggested they try.


oh, great
Posted by MoreOrLes
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:57 pm to
Get back to us when you find out whats in it.

My fear is that its not biodegradable......but may still be better than letting it hit the shores.
Posted by Tiger in Tejas
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:58 pm to
Pretty sure Corexit is being used both on surface and at source. It is only mildly effective on the surface in this instance because all of the volatiles and light ends have already broken up on its way up the water column (remember the oil has to travel through a mile of water before it reaches the surface). As such, it is rather emulsified by the time it reaches the surface. Corexit is one of the only approved dispersants and is industry standard. Yes, it was developed by exxon.

Posted by MoreOrLes
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:59 pm to
does it bio degrade? If so whats the time table?
Posted by Tiger in Tejas
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:00 pm to
And yes, it is biodegradable and has low toxicity. MMS/Coast Guard would not approve it otherwise.
Posted by BatonRougeRugby
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:12 pm to
Thanks for the info. I was trying to find this out earlier.

Decatur - any reason in particular you are inquiring about the chemical?
Posted by MoreOrLes
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:13 pm to
Yeah, Thanks. Good Info
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:14 pm to
Found this from a Nalco product sheet:

quote:

COREXIT 9500 is a high-performance oil spill dispersant that is effective on a wide range of oils, including the heavier, more weathered oils and emulsified oils. COREXIT 9500 contains the same well-proven, biodegradable and low toxicity surfactants present in COREXIT 9527,
with a new improved oleophilic solvent delivery
system. The unique oleophilic nature of COREXIT
9500 enhances the penetration of the surfactants, which is particularly important for dispersion of heavy oils. Based on laboratory tests, COREXIT 9500 is effective on all spreading oils. As with all dispersants, timely application ensures the highest degree of success. Early treatment with COREXIT 9500, even at reduced treat rates, can also counter the “mousse” forming tendencies of the spilled oil. Thus, with the enhanced penetration capability and emulsion fighting properties, the “window of opportunity” to successfully treat the spill is increased with COREXIT 9500. For a general description of the chemical and physical properties, refer to the Material Safety Data Sheet.


quote:

COREXIT 9500 is on the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency’s (EPA) National Contingency Plan (NCP) Product Schedule. This listing does not mean that EPA approves, recommends, licenses, certifies or authorizes the use of COREXIT 9500 on an oil discharge. This listing means only that data have been submitted to EPA as required by Subpart J of the National Contingency Plan 300.915.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

Decatur - any reason in particular you are inquiring about the chemical?


Yeah, I read this article a few days ago:

quote:

The chemicals BP is now relying on to break up the steady flow of leaking oil from deep below the Gulf of Mexico could create a new set of environmental problems.

Even if the materials, called dispersants, are effective, BP has already bought up more than a third of the world’s supply. If the leak from 5,000 feet beneath the surface continues for weeks, or months, that stockpile could run out.

On Thursday BP began using the chemical compounds to dissolve the crude oil, both on the surface and deep below, deploying an estimated 100,000 gallons. Dispersing the oil is considered one of the best ways to protect birds and keep the slick from making landfall. But the dispersants contain harmful toxins of their own and can concentrate leftover oil toxins in the water, where they can kill fish and migrate great distances.

The exact makeup of the dispersants is kept secret under competitive trade laws, but a worker safety sheet for one product, called Corexit, says it includes 2-butoxyethanol, a compound associated with headaches, vomiting and reproductive problems at high doses.

There is a chemical toxicity to the dispersant compound that in many ways is worse than oil,” said Richard Charter, a foremost expert on marine biology and oil spills who is a senior policy advisor for Marine Programs for Defenders of Wildlife and is chairman of the Gulf of the Farallones National Marine Sanctuary Advisory Council. “It’s a trade off – you’re damned if you do damned if you don’t -- of trying to minimize the damage coming to shore, but in so doing you may be more seriously damaging the ecosystem offshore.

BP did not respond to requests for comment for this article.

Dispersants are mixtures of solvents, surfactants and other additives that break up the surface tension of an oil slick and make oil more soluble in water, according to a paper published by the National Academy of Sciences. They are spread over or in the water in very low concentration – a single gallon may cover several acres.

Once they are dispersed, the tiny droplets of oil are more likely to sink or remain suspended in deep water rather than floating to the surface and collecting in a continuous slick. Dispersed oil can spread quickly in three directions instead of two and is more easily dissipated by waves and turbulence that break it up further and help many of its most toxic hydrocarbons evaporate.

But the dispersed oil can also collect on the seabed, where it becomes food for microscopic organisms at the bottom of the food chain and eventually winds up in shellfish and other organisms. The evaporation process can also concentrate the toxic compounds left behind, particularly oil-derived compounds called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or PAHs.


According to a 2005 National Academy of Sciences report, the dispersants and the oil they leave behind can kill fish eggs. A study of oil dispersal in Coos Bay, Ore. found that PAH accumulated in mussels, the Academy’s paper noted. Another study examining fish health after the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska in 1989 found that PAHs affected the developing hearts of Pacific herring and pink salmon embryos. The research suggests the dispersal of the oil that’s leaking in the Gulf could affect the seafood industry there.

“One of the most difficult decisions that oil spill responders and natural resource managers face during a spill is evaluating the trade-offs associated with dispersant use,” said the Academy report, titled Oil Spill Dispersants, Efficacy and Effects. “There is insufficient understanding of the fate of dispersed oil in aquatic ecosystems.”

A version of Corexit was widely used after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and, according to a literature review performed by the group the Alaska Community Action on Toxics, was later linked with health impacts in people including respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders. But the Academy report makes clear that the dispersants used today are less toxic than those used a decade ago.

“There is a certain amount of toxicity,” said Robin Rorick, director of marine and security operations at the American Petroleum Institute. “We view dispersant use as a tool in a toolbox. It’s a function of conducting a net environmental benefit analysis and determining the best bang for your buck.”

Charter, the marine expert, cautioned the dispersants should be carefully considered for the right reasons.

“Right now there is a headlong rush to get this oil out of sight out of mind,” Charter said. “You can throw every resource we have at this spill. You can call out the Marine Corps and the National Guard. This is so big that it is unlikely that any amount of response is going to make much of a dent in the impacts. It’s going to be mostly watching it happen.”


LINK

Makes me wonder if we just adding to the problem.
Posted by BatonRougeRugby
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:33 pm to
right on.

thanks for that disturbing picture. we are looking to research the effects of the dispersant on larval fish. apparently the negative effects on fish are amplified by higher salinity water. something about it allowing an influx of sodium ions into fish.
Posted by Tiger in Tejas
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:36 pm to
I wouldn't put too much stock into Charter.

Some valid questions are addressed in the article, but also the oh so common scare language. IMO, the most important quotes are below:

"“One of the most difficult decisions that oil spill responders and natural resource managers face during a spill is evaluating the trade-offs associated with dispersant use,” said the Academy report, titled Oil Spill Dispersants, Efficacy and Effects. “There is insufficient understanding of the fate of dispersed oil in aquatic ecosystems.”

“There is a certain amount of toxicity,” said Robin Rorick, director of marine and security operations at the American Petroleum Institute. “We view dispersant use as a tool in a toolbox. It’s a function of conducting a net environmental benefit analysis and determining the best bang for your buck.”
Posted by nhassl1
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:37 pm to
chemicals in water=BAD
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:43 pm to
I agree with quotes you highlight. I guess I'm tying to figure out whether cost-benefit analysis works out in our favor. It's my understanding that the dispersant may break up the slicks but there would still be the same amount of oil out there in total...rather than being noticeable on the surface, it would still be present in lower depths or on the ocean floor. So even though things might seem better because there is no oil that ends up on land, the oil is still very much in the water environment...along with the dispersant agent that could cause another host of problems.
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